Comments on: Downfall of “The Seducer” http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/ Your source for technology culture, internet phenomena, politics, interviews and entertainment Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:41:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: iconoclast http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-46884 iconoclast Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:43:16 +0000 /?p=1#comment-46884 so does ross jeffries teach men how to commit themselves to a woman or is he all about a lack of commitment? so does ross jeffries teach men how to commit themselves to a woman or is he all about a lack of commitment?

]]> By: z http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-44544 z Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:33:42 +0000 /?p=1#comment-44544 ROSS JEFFRIES, is nothing like the article described aboved. he has helped more men, probably thousands more, then all the other pua put together. It's amazing what type of horrible crack will be posted on the net. Warning to the viewer:: for one, be thank you have read me response. Secondly, do your own research, as opposed to reading bonehead comments, about what good or what not, ROSS JEFFRIES, is nothing like the article described aboved. he has helped more men, probably thousands more, then all the other pua put together.

It’s amazing what type of horrible crack will be posted on the net.
Warning to the viewer:: for one, be thank you have read me response. Secondly, do your own research, as opposed to reading bonehead comments, about what good or what not,

]]> By: NLPer http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-44430 NLPer Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:25:29 +0000 /?p=1#comment-44430 I use this stuff all the time, and when you use it enough you stop thinking about it. Thats what makes it so great. No more remembering when to DHV or DLV or wear a funny hat or any of that bullshit. I've never seen ross jefferies before in my life, nor attended a seminar. i dont really care about him, but dont knock NLP its worth looking into. BTW that romantic novel suggestion works extremely well, but i bet most people who read this wont be disciplined enough to do it. oh well more for me. I use this stuff all the time, and when you use it enough you stop thinking about it. Thats what makes it so great. No more remembering when to DHV or DLV or wear a funny hat or any of that bullshit. I’ve never seen ross jefferies before in my life, nor attended a seminar. i dont really care about him, but dont knock NLP its worth looking into. BTW that romantic novel suggestion works extremely well, but i bet most people who read this wont be disciplined enough to do it. oh well more for me.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-40645 Anthony Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:58:35 +0000 /?p=1#comment-40645 Ive been through a lot of these "dating" products out there, david d, mystery, brent, swinggcat, etc, and Ross Jeffries and Stephane are the only two people out there who truly get it. Some of u dumbasses that wrote these comments say that "patterns dont work". Thats purely that u are too dumb to use them or even understand at a ll what they are about. Goto a bookstore and pickup a romantic novel that women LOVE to read (over half of all books sold in USA are romantic novels) this languaging is the exact same u dumb shits. RJ teaches u what women really want, and now I have more sexual choice with women than I could ever dream before. None of these other "gurus" know jack shit about what women really want, they teach u how to prey on insecure women(which there are a lot of) not quality women. I guess that I really shouldnt be all that pissed seeing a bunch of dumbasses try to judge RJ seeing as I could easily sleep with any women they have with his techniques (married or not too). =) U guys can have fun with your masturbating, ill get all the chicks for ya Ive been through a lot of these “dating” products out there, david d, mystery, brent, swinggcat, etc, and Ross Jeffries and Stephane are the only two people out there who truly get it. Some of u dumbasses that wrote these comments say that “patterns dont work”. Thats purely that u are too dumb to use them or even understand at a ll what they are about. Goto a bookstore and pickup a romantic novel that women LOVE to read (over half of all books sold in USA are romantic novels) this languaging is the exact same u dumb shits. RJ teaches u what women really want, and now I have more sexual choice with women than I could ever dream before. None of these other “gurus” know jack shit about what women really want, they teach u how to prey on insecure women(which there are a lot of) not quality women. I guess that I really shouldnt be all that pissed seeing a bunch of dumbasses try to judge RJ seeing as I could easily sleep with any women they have with his techniques (married or not too). =) U guys can have fun with your masturbating, ill get all the chicks for ya

]]> By: zussal http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-38029 zussal Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:39:19 +0000 /?p=1#comment-38029 Paul Dobransky is cool if you can overlook all the typos in his work and also overlook the fact that he thinks a fuck buddy is "love" and "healthy". (maybe an assumption... he didn't say that directly but he hints to it.) Also, don't e-mail him and disagree with him because it ticks him off and he will delete you from his newsletter list and he will have his friends e-mail you a fake WWW registration to his website saying your username is "dumbass" and your password is "null and void". This is all after he threatens you with litigation for "harassment" because you stood your ground and disagreed with one of his "opinions" Paul Dobransky is cool if you can overlook all the typos in his work
and also overlook the fact that he thinks a fuck buddy is “love” and “healthy”. (maybe an assumption… he didn’t say that directly but he hints to it.)

Also, don’t e-mail him and disagree with him because it ticks him off and he will delete you from his newsletter list and he will have his friends e-mail you a fake WWW registration to his website saying your username is “dumbass” and your password is “null and void”. This is all after he threatens you with litigation for “harassment” because you stood your ground and disagreed with one of his “opinions”

]]> By: Klaus http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-32071 Klaus Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:02:21 +0000 /?p=1#comment-32071 This guy was featured on the Daily Show back in Kilborn's day (I think Beth Littleford interviewed) and it was a riot. He had obviously clueless East-European girls with him and advertised one of his "methods" as pretending to be a Casting Director. At some point, if I recall correctly, she tried to talk to the girls, who just gave a "I have no idea why I accepted the money to be here" look. Sorry but all these guys are useless. Let life teach you what it will. What's next, lessons on being a passive-aggressive corporate sociopath that can manipulate their way to the top without adding an ounce of value to the company? Fakery will always be fakery; no matter how glittery. People of value know... (everything can't be spoon-fed) This guy was featured on the Daily Show back in Kilborn’s day (I think Beth Littleford interviewed) and it was a riot. He had obviously clueless East-European girls with him and advertised one of his “methods” as pretending to be a Casting Director. At some point, if I recall correctly, she tried to talk to the girls, who just gave a “I have no idea why I accepted the money to be here” look.

Sorry but all these guys are useless. Let life teach you what it will. What’s next, lessons on being a passive-aggressive corporate sociopath that can manipulate their way to the top without adding an ounce of value to the company? Fakery will always be fakery; no matter how glittery. People of value know… (everything can’t be spoon-fed)

]]> By: Jim-Bobby-Sue http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-31402 Jim-Bobby-Sue Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:14:01 +0000 /?p=1#comment-31402 Jeff, you're one bitter, judgmental and uptight person. Everyone has something to offer the world, and whilst RJ might have his short comings, he has his qualities and has made his contribution. It would be fair to say the new guard you sing so highly about got to where they are because of the contribution of people like RJ. He has certinly built the commercial side of the business and contributed to personal development being one of the fastest growing industries around. When someone is so quick to pass judgement, and give such an unbalanced skathing critique, I can never help but think there is at some level jealousy at the very core. Perception is projection at the end of the day. Apart from picking up chicks, NLP is very good at helping people deal with their subconscious stuff, and latent anger at the world, is this something you've ever considered? Can you imagine a time when you're happy and loving towards your fellow man, how does it feel, what do you see, what do you say to yourself when you get there? :-) I know some very good coaches in your area if you want me to hook you up. Happy Holidays, Jim-Bobby-Sue Jeff, you’re one bitter, judgmental and uptight person. Everyone has something to offer the world, and whilst RJ might have his short comings, he has his qualities and has made his contribution. It would be fair to say the new guard you sing so highly about got to where they are because of the contribution of people like RJ. He has certinly built the commercial side of the business and contributed to personal development being one of the fastest growing industries around. When someone is so quick to pass judgement, and give such an unbalanced skathing critique, I can never help but think there is at some level jealousy at the very core. Perception is projection at the end of the day. Apart from picking up chicks, NLP is very good at helping people deal with their subconscious stuff, and latent anger at the world, is this something you’ve ever considered? Can you imagine a time when you’re happy and loving towards your fellow man, how does it feel, what do you see, what do you say to yourself when you get there? :-) I know some very good coaches in your area if you want me to hook you up.

Happy Holidays,

Jim-Bobby-Sue

]]> By: Mark http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-30679 Mark Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:30:47 +0000 /?p=1#comment-30679 I attended one of Jeffries seminars ten years ago in Maui. When he was not in front of the classroom, Jeffries was a rather aloof and arrogant sort which left me with a lasting impression of the guy that was hardly positive. Frankly, I believe that he is overrated as are his patterns. Based on my experience they are useless. I attended one of Jeffries seminars ten years ago in Maui. When he was not in front of the classroom, Jeffries was a rather aloof and arrogant sort which left me with a lasting impression of the guy that was hardly positive. Frankly, I believe that he is overrated as are his patterns. Based on my experience they are useless.

]]> By: iconoclast http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-29481 iconoclast Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:41:11 +0000 /?p=1#comment-29481 That may be true Evolver, but how many PUA's, no, or MPUA's/PUG's are able to keep their girls? Not many it seems. Strauss lost his blonde bomshell to Robbie Williams and Mystery wanted to kill his ex-girflriend because she was impregnated by a black linebacker. PUG's can pick up girls but their lack of resolve (actually, their resolve is to be unresolved) will infect all the women they meet with the disease of pussyfootin'. Once they finally meet the girl of their dreams (o existential bliss!) and 'give up' on the game, they will experience a rude awakening: the girl was really just a figment of a vanishing dream. She will be long gone as you know it. If you decide to be a PUA, you decide to be a PUA forever. If you decide to be a player, you've basically decided to vacillate from woman to woman until you're either calling up Viagra for a wingman or you're Broken Flowered (finally seduced by existence and de-flowered you to its realities) Bill Murray looking for his son in a desperate search for some meaning in life. Unfortunately, resolve, loyalty, and earnestness CANNOT be learned in seminars. That's really the bottomline, and it don't get no bottomer den DAT. That may be true Evolver, but how many PUA’s, no, or MPUA’s/PUG’s are able to keep their girls? Not many it seems. Strauss lost his blonde bomshell to Robbie Williams and Mystery wanted to kill his ex-girflriend because she was impregnated by a black linebacker. PUG’s can pick up girls but their lack of resolve (actually, their resolve is to be unresolved) will infect all the women they meet with the disease of pussyfootin’. Once they finally meet the girl of their dreams (o existential bliss!) and ‘give up’ on the game, they will experience a rude awakening: the girl was really just a figment of a vanishing dream. She will be long gone as you know it. If you decide to be a PUA, you decide to be a PUA forever. If you decide to be a player, you’ve basically decided to vacillate from woman to woman until you’re either calling up Viagra for a wingman or you’re Broken Flowered (finally seduced by existence and de-flowered you to its realities) Bill Murray looking for his son in a desperate search for some meaning in life.

Unfortunately, resolve, loyalty, and earnestness CANNOT be learned in seminars. That’s really the bottomline, and it don’t get no bottomer den DAT.

]]> By: Evolver http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-28985 Evolver Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:28:55 +0000 /?p=1#comment-28985 Any Speed Seducer or Veteran PUA can steal your girl in a week to less than a month! Thats really the bottomline... Any Speed Seducer or Veteran PUA can steal your girl in a week to less than a month! Thats really the bottomline…

]]> By: Tony http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-26683 Tony Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:12:37 +0000 /?p=1#comment-26683 You do realize its called sarging after the name of ross jefferies cat? You do realize its called sarging after the name of ross jefferies cat?

]]> By: SlowDiver http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-24924 SlowDiver Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:59:32 +0000 /?p=1#comment-24924 Ross Jeffries is a kind of pioneer, and he has had some measure of success on video, so he deserves his respect at least in terms of paying homage. In all fairness, magic, hypnosis, chakra, astrology etc all still have some appeal with most women contextually by default. His message that he isn't thinking about sex on approach, he just wants to "play" with them and "test" them, is viable, effective, and used to this day. But as Jeff points out, his methods are a bit dated and he's letting himself go a bit appearance wise. Ultimately, it's just that some of Ross' moves are a little contrived or forced. When he points to his tongue for example, using "NLP, he looks more creepy than smooth. The effective methods (that worked for my friends and I) came from a combination of Dave DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game (including Dr. Paul Dobransky MindOS psychological health techniques), and then of course the Mystery Method, which is failsafe when you memorize your routines and the order they come in. Those two in concert plus actually going out there and doing it, were the most effective techniques for us. - Ross Jeffries is a kind of pioneer, and he has had some measure of success on video, so he deserves his respect at least in terms of paying homage. In all fairness, magic, hypnosis, chakra, astrology etc all still have some appeal with most women contextually by default. His message that he isn’t thinking about sex on approach, he just wants to “play” with them and “test” them, is viable, effective, and used to this day. But as Jeff points out, his methods are a bit dated and he’s letting himself go a bit appearance wise. Ultimately, it’s just that some of Ross’ moves are a little contrived or forced. When he points to his tongue for example, using “NLP, he looks more creepy than smooth.

The effective methods (that worked for my friends and I) came from a combination of Dave DeAngelo’s Deep Inner Game (including Dr. Paul Dobransky MindOS psychological health techniques), and then of course the Mystery Method, which is failsafe when you memorize your routines and the order they come in. Those two in concert plus actually going out there and doing it, were the most effective techniques for us.

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]]> By: John http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-22099 John Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:10:17 +0000 /?p=1#comment-22099 He is a scam artist and a power hungry freak. He didn't invent anything, the so called "game" has been around for ever. Ross only brought sexual patterns to the table, which from my own personal experience are useless. He is a scam artist and a power hungry freak. He didn’t invent anything, the so called “game” has been around for ever. Ross only brought sexual patterns to the table, which from my own personal experience are useless.

]]> By: Adamlawyer http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-20441 Adamlawyer Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:53:41 +0000 /?p=1#comment-20441 It's stupid to read these trashings of Ross Jeffries. It's pure jealousy. The guy INVENTED the field, period. That should mean something and is in itself worthy of respect. It’s stupid to read these trashings of Ross Jeffries. It’s pure jealousy. The guy INVENTED the field, period. That should mean something and is in itself worthy of respect.

]]> By: Guy Incognito http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-383 Guy Incognito Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:51:52 +0000 /?p=1#comment-383 If someone calls me "young apprentice" and talks about prices "dark beyond measure", he'd better follow up by teaching me how to choke people with my mind. If someone calls me “young apprentice” and talks about prices “dark beyond measure”, he’d better follow up by teaching me how to choke people with my mind.

]]> By: The MondoGlobo Network » What’s Wrong With the Japanese? (First in a Series: Nose Abuse) http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-189 The MondoGlobo Network » What’s Wrong With the Japanese? (First in a Series: Nose Abuse) Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:21:29 +0000 /?p=1#comment-189 [...] s In the Company of Jerkoffs by Lou Cabron 9/11 - The Wingnuts v. The Sheeple by RU Sirius Downfall of "The Seducer" by Jeff Diehl The Secret Life of Jason Fortuny by Lou Cabr [...] [...] s In the Company of Jerkoffs by Lou Cabron 9/11 - The Wingnuts v. The Sheeple by RU Sirius Downfall of “The Seducer” by Jeff Diehl The Secret Life of Jason Fortuny by Lou Cabr [...]

]]> By: Ross Jeffries’ Gentle Touch at Dethroner http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/13/downfall-seducer/#comment-164 Ross Jeffries’ Gentle Touch at Dethroner Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:04:08 +0000 /?p=1#comment-164 [...] e I’ll be skipping the former and going right to the latter. For science, of course. Downfall of “The Seducer” [10ZenMonkeys.com] (Thanks, David C.!) [...] [...] e I’ll be skipping the former and going right to the latter. For science, of course. Downfall of “The Seducer” [10ZenMonkeys.com] (Thanks, David C.!) [...]

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