http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL_R-lSewHA

How this end up ? It was entrapment proven ?

Regarding Von Erck, well he may own our organization, but the wheels that turn PeeJ are no longer directly under his control, which was his goal to begin with. PeeJ is a group effort. If you want to attack what we do, the lamest thing to do is to posit that Erck is hiding something. Such ill founded conjecture is the mainstay of media spectacle.

“And it’s worthwhile to note that the vast majority of predators are family members and they far outweigh those who seek out prey online. ”

AIDS is much more common than Ebola in Africa. Many more people are dying of it. I suppose, therefore, that international health organizations should ignore Ebola altogether? The reasoning that most predators are not online predators, and therefore should be ignored, is idiocy. I agree that there are fewer online predators than there are familial predators. But ignore smaller problems, and they grow into big ones. There are lots of organizations out there that are doing tremendous work combating family/domestic child abuse, and we applaud them. But we’ve carved a niche for ourselves fighting child abuse online, in which only a fraction of our energy is spent doing busts on TCAP. The size of the problem we’re fighting doesn’t invalidate our actions by any stretch of the imagination.

“P-J and their televised spectacle are nothing more than a sick reality show scam, out of make money from someone’s abuse.”

In a country where Spectacle (and I do mean the postmodern studies term with a capital S) is the largest facet of culture, TCAP makes for a convenient introduction to what we do. But if you read the chatlogs, which take a long time and are not FUN to take in, if you see how we have been reaching out to children and abuse victims, how we have exposed the vast and mobilized pedophile subculture online, you will see that our true MO is pragmatism and a real concern for children online. We do not benefit at all from anyone’s abuse.

It may indeed be difficult to have real sympathy for most of the individuals hauled in for the embarrasment of their lives but few of them have the Matthew Hopkins or Torquemada syndrome that the PJ crew would probably like to implement IF they had the power. Instead they get their “Private Jollies” by seeing others Sweat . There is a Five Letter NY originated word for these types beginning with a P****.

Hopefully the Public will tire of this nonsense in time but then again Jerry Springer still goes on .

Of course, they are having trouble, to be honest I highly doubt the people who run CJ.com will ever shutdown. What boggles me, is to why Dodger owner of CJ.com,aka Scott Morrow from Canada, started up the site, when he has no business even complaining as Peej is not in his country. He picked the wrong issue to complain about. The problem lies with the site owner’s (Dodger) ego in case your wondering, he will not swallow his pride and say, “You know this is pointless and is going no where” and just cease operation. Some of his higher up’s are not too bright, especially CJBW, what does she care about Peej, no one in her family was busted by them, so why even care. To sum it up, CJ.com should be ashamed of themselves for trying to aide child sex solicitors. I seem to recall their hidden forums were downloaded and there were tons of threads from Peej busts and CJ admin giving advice on how to hide. Lets not forget Julie Cison, she finally woke up and left CJ.com. If they cared about civil rights, they would fight for civil rights for everyone, not just for people who solicit minors online.

Yup. That’s exactly what’s happening. For once in history the kids are winning for a change and the pedophiles are pissing themselves. Good work Perverted Justice and the law enforcement who grew with them.

Law enforcement has received training from them and LE in turn trained others, and it’s gone international (300 busted by Interpol on child porn charges, and they’re going after the offenders in the videos rounded up too. Wonderful stuff Perverted Justice started here. )

I’d say Perverted Justice went above and beyond their initial mission of cleaning up chat rooms, they’ve made history and permanently turned the tide for children from being easy prey who no one could, or knew how, to protect, to being highly protected, and their justice finally getting received.

“The pissing match between CJ and Peej is immature and bullshit”

Precisely. which is why no one at PeeJ has bothered to even address it. I think the CJ site is actually dying last I heard. Not many takers . Alot of the perverts busted by law enforcement or PeeJ do try to join, some made it, but most are not allowed by CJ (wonder why). If you check it out their membership is quite low. They’re having real trouble finding actual “falsely accused victims of PeeJ”. There are none folks. The volunteers at Perverted Justice are exposing people to law enforcement who are dangerous, otherwise law enforcement would not pursue them. I hope the folks at CJ wake up someday.

Perverted Justice aren’t vigilantes. They’re informants of the highest order. They leave the police work to police. There’s thousands of kids who are going to grow up healthier/safer for their work and grateful for exposing their abusers and helping them get justice. God Bless them and those who support them. I love what they do.

And for the families of pedophiles? Not your fault loves. Your loved ones need help, and need to be exposed-preferably in private, but when families don’t know or are too afraid/frozen to act, we need to know from others who care, like Perverted Justice and police, so you can rein them in from harming themselves and others.

I had one in my family. Brought me great pleasure to bury him when he killed hismelf when he got busted by police for abusing another little girl rather than go to trial for his deeds. I gave him a proper burial (ok, I really didn’t want to, and I smiled when I gave the order to cremate and put him in a really cheap urn, the $25 dollar one. And no, I didn’t speak at his wake. Hell, he’s lucky i gave him one. I’m a nice gal)

I found out by a call from Florida PD about the suicide, and a little girl he harmed was denied her justice. I was denied the chance to help him by bringing him to justice, he was denied the chance to learn from this and get help. Everyone lost because of his selfishness. How do I know he was guilty? Not another falsely accused politically pursued victim? Because he did it to me when I was a little girl twenty+ years ago, and I moved away and never spoke to him again. Worst mistake I’d ever made. Wish I had spoken out. I could have put him in jail or in a program and protected other children from him. He offed himself instead when that little girl had the courage to speak up. The ultimate act of selfishness he did rather than face this problem. No tv cameras, no press. Nice and quiet like. A chance to get help and heal, and he chose to take the easy way out instead. And PeeJ had nothing to do with it. This goes on all over the country, in all strata, and PeeJ did not invent it nor cause it. They just expose it.

So, for those who think Perverted Justice is only out to “get” pedophiles, well, they are, they’re getting them out of the darkeness they’ve operated in for so long. I wish they’d been around was I was a little girl. I would have done things very differently. I would have known how important it was to bring these things to light and make them right/face them. We’ll never know how to develop and implement effective programs to address pedohpilia if its never exposed or even talked about and they keep offing themselves or hiding rather than face this issue.

And blogs like this one, dogging the work of those who are making the first real positive and effective movements in the right direction do nothing but expose the ignorance still out there (but thankfully, a helluva lot less people are ignorant. I forsee great progress in the protection of children and handling of pedophilia in a more effective and open-discussion way)

We have a long way to go. No doubts, but I know we’re heading in the right direction. I thank Perverted Justice for starting that, and continuing that.

And it’s worthwhile to note that the vast majority of predators are family members and they far outweigh those who seek out prey online. P-J and their televised spectacle are nothing more than a sick reality show scam, out of make money from someone’s abuse.

Just an anal bitch here to correct something.

Over and over and over again I see the word ‘pedophile’ where ‘child molester’ should be. There is a world of difference between pedos and child molesters.

Pedophiles–true pedophiles–don’t want to have sex with children.

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Okay, that’s not entirely true, but they are aware of the law and, in the right state of mind, abide by it entirely.

These people–pedophiles–they were born the way they are. Why should they be damned or ostracized for being something they didn’t choose to be? It’s akin to heterosexist or racist behavior. Besides being pedophiles, they are standing members of their respective communities. I knew an admitted pedophile once. Best damn grade school teacher I’ve ever seen. He’s moved on to high school now and I still keep in touch with him. Though he’s an admitted pedo, he’s never once touched a child, and he never will. He loves them too much.

Child molesters, on the other hand, are very, very different. For them, having sex with children has literally nothing to do with love. They want CONTROL, and to get that, they seek the easiest target–children.

They don’t love kids. They see them as objects.

Child molesters are the monsters here.

Pedophiles deserve to have their names cleared because they have done *nothing* to harm any children. I have never harmed any child in my life and with God as my witness I will not.

Now onto the matter at hand.

I have no doubt in my mind that PeeJ’s vigilante actions are unforgivably immoral. I agree that child molesters should be taken off the street, but these people are aiming to completely destroy their lives.

Whatever happened to having a second chance? Why can’t these people, with PeeJ at the control, be given a chance to atone, to regret, to make better of themselves? Everyone deserves a second chance, in my eyes. Everyone.

And before someone asks ole Enraged “what if it’s YOUR family”…well, same thing. If the molester/killer wants to atone, if he regrets what he has done, I will give him a chance to make better of himself–because if I were in his shoes, if I deplored myself for what I had done, I would hope in the bottom of my heart that I be given a second chance. I’m sure some child molesters feel the same way.

So none of that kthx.

That’s all I have to say on this subject.

Later.

Let’s get something straight – do you know when the time is that human females are naturally the most viable for producing offspring?

That’s right – around the age of 15. Now, although I think it is wrong for molesters to force little boys or girls into having sex with them or manipulating them into having sex with them – it has got to vary based on age because let’s face it -

as Dave Chappelle once brilliantly said ” How old is 15 really?”

Really, how old is 15? What do you think you were capable of doing at 15? Were you that naive that you did not know what sex was or whether you wanted to have it or not?

Not a hard decision to make – a 6 year old can tell when shit is fishy as far as sexual predators – I know when I was that age I would tell the doctor to go to hell when I had to get a physical and they had to grab your balls and tell you to cough.

Kids are smart – they aren’t fucking automatons – empty shells with no brains.

But they still are not the wisest nonetheless – all I am saying is I think that there should be some sort of age range – for all ages after someone reaches puberty-

Because you know what – an 18 year old girl is not as wise as a 55 year-old business tycoon – so I say instead of convicting a 20 year old for trying to have sex with a girl 5 years younger than him – aka 15 –

Why doesn’t perverted justice go after 55 year olds that marry 18 yearold trophy wives?

You know why – because it’s all bullshit. People with power do whatever they want – rape, molest, murder – the sky’s the limit if you have money and power.

If not and you are that desperate to try to get ass from a 15 yearold girl when you’re 20 – you are going to get fucked over by Chris Hansen and to catch a Predator.

WHEN THE REAL FUCKING PREDATORS ARE AT YOUR KID’S SCHOOLS, DOCTOR’S OFFICES, LITTLE LEAGUES, DAY CAMPS.

I’d say that 70% of the people they catch on To Catch a predator are horny nerds in their 20s that in all reality would not hurt a fly – but are so desparate that they try to hook up with a 15 year old.

I think Perveted Justice needs to hire me – because I’d cut the bull on that and I’d find the REAL predators – none of these fake wanna-be-predators that are just more desparate than anything.

It’s like putting the class nerd in a jail with murders and labeling them as a molester so that they can get killed and raped in jail WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DIDN’T PHYSICALLY DO ANYTHING AT ALL!

They were lured there. The girl is either 18 and a lot of times 22 that they use as a decoy. It seems like it is done all for ratings. The people that come are just retarded and desparate I’d say 70% of the time and 30% of the time are actually really weird creepy old men.

But that’s not a good ratio – convicting 7 people that just did something really stupid to put the 3 that really did deserve it in jail with them out of every 10 they catch and convict.

SCREW THAT – Perverted Justice – you need me as your new CEO – I’d shift focus to where you really find predators – parks, schools, that creepy gym teacher that you know is a rapist and its so obvious but somehow no one says anything.

We could visit Frat Parties and clubs where underage girls with their fake ids get in and get date raped after drinking 3 beers and 2 shots.

Basically – I’d get the real molesters and without the cameras – I’d do it freelance and I’d find you the people that really deserve jail time.

And I’d Cut the bullshit.

You really shouldn’t be posting people’s email around the internet. I don’t know you so I can’t tell if you’re being truthful, but I sincerely hope this guy isn’t really some dude you just don’t like, because you will end up bringing him trouble he doesn’t deserve. Whatever the case may be, please stop posting his email around the internet. PeeJ only does it once the perv has been arrested and a convicted.

I think Jemma’s post should be edited so that it no longer contains the email address.

Thirtyseven, if you want to know what’s behind the scenes, take a look at our website. As I said before, we hide nothing, and we’re are constantly under the microscope of law enforcement. Do you honestly think we’ve managed to hoodwink every cop in the country? Or the FBI? I don’t think so.

I did wonder what was going on behind the scenes — these perverted justice folks sound dangerously stupid. The worst part is their paranoid attention-grabbing is a distraction/cover for the very real “pedophile cabals” that do exist, and do not in fact run wikipedia and google.

This was an excellent read, thanks again, man.