My 4th wife had 4 miscarriages, and she has very extensive workups at UCLA Medical Center, and they could discover absolutely NO reason why she couldn’t carry the babies to term.

I do not know if Edgewood had anything to do with that or not. It is far too late to find out now, but I do have my suspicions.

I asked what I was going to be given, each time I went for testing, and i was told that they couldn’t tell me, and should just “shut up and go along”.

I was NEVER followed up by the Army, after I left Edgewood Arsenal. They had me there for 5 weeks, so any claim of followup is simply a joke.

We were also required to sign a secrecy oath, one that specifically prohibited us from discussing anything that had happened at Edgewood Arsenal with anyone else, civilian or military, upon pain of prosecution. As one of the brieferss put it, “You may feel like telling your grandchildren about this place, but it would not be worth the 40 years in Leavenworth”.

It was for that reason that i simply refused to provide any information when the National Academies contacted me in the 1980’s I would NOT violate that oath.

I am NOT a Vietnam Veteran. I never saw combat in my 8 years of active duty. Yet I suffer all of the symptoms of PTSD, which began at Edgewood Arsenal. I have lost 3 marriages, 2 engagements, have gone through some 30 jobs, moved over 30 times, had nightmares and flashbacks baout that place, etc., etc.

I was a highly rated Neuro-Psychioatric Specialist (MOS 91F20) when I went to Edgewood Arsenal. I had been promoted twice during the previous year (to E-4 and E-5). I was told that I was being recruited because of my skills in observing others and objectively recording their behavior and statements.

Needless to say, those skills were never utilized at Edgewood Arsenal.

Dr, Ketchum makes light of the suffering he put thousands of Army personnel through. As a Neuro-Psychiatric Specialist, I learned that behavior of a sick individual is not amusing, it is a symptom. It would seem that this “psychiatrist” has failed to learn that simple lesson.

He condemned a lot of soldiers to a lifetime of misery with his hellish testing. I am just one of the many that would simply love to have about 5 minutes in a closed room with this person.

If he does not know the long-term effects of the chemicals he exposed people to, then he is a poorly trained specialist in his field.

BZ is so potent, that even the illegal drug trade will not produce it, because it has absolutely NO recreational benefits at all. Yet that is one of the many chemicals he personally supervised being given to soldiers.

He also fails to point out that the soldiers recruited for his program were significantly brighter than the average (my GT score being 137 as an example, which qualified me for MENSA membership).

He literally has no knowledge of what happened to any of his victims. he depends on studies for his assertion that no long term effects occurred, but apparently he can not read and digest the very studies he cites. All of them say that they are far from scientific in nature, all of them say that they did not measure any psychiatric effects, and all of them depended upon the input of soldiers and former soldiers that were prohibited from discussing anything that had happened to them in his program.

Suffice to say that a LOT of German “scientists” went to prison after World War II, for doing exactly the same kinds of testing that Dr. Ketchum is so proud of.

And perhaps he would let me know just who the “Chester W. Gottlieb” was that approved me for “psycho-chems”?

Medical Draft of 53-55

Did other offspring have any developmental anomaly?

If one were to get the medical information on any group of the veterans used in the Edgewood testing, it would show similar illness and disabilities in all of them, caused by the testing.

I was one of the ones used at Edgewood Arsenal in 1973. I, myself am totally disabled, suffering from COPD, emphazema, heart failure, strokes, PTSD and nervous system disfunction.

Letters were sent out to most of the former test subjects, and asked them various questions about their health. This form of communication would be good if getting information about a recently released movei, or a television show. Not for getting valid medical information on ones health and condition, in a clinical invironment.

There has been no medical examination done by VA, or the IOM, to try to prove or disporve the effects done by the testing done at Edgewood Arsenal.

Nothing has been said about the test subjects being exposed not only to the doctors experiments, but the subjects also being exposed to contamination in the soil and water there. Contaminations such as Sulphur Mustard, BZ, napalm, WP, agent orange, agent white, and agent green. Combine the test done by the doctors and the environmental contamination and you have a bunch of sick and disabled veterans.

Yes the government has covered up the testing done, and they have covered up the sick and disabled veterans that were at Edgewood Arsenal. We were promised the Soldiers Medal, and have not gotten it.

I wonder if when I do finally die, will I get my Government Issued Coffin, along with my Flag to drape over it, and a burial detail to stick me in my grave?

this is a link to the 1994 Rockefeller report after reading it tell me again how the CIA had nothing to do with the DOD/Army experiments at Edgewood it is under section F Hallucengenics Is Senator Rockefeller’s report a lie?

If you have not read my book, how can you evaluate it? It is not an attempt to rewrite history, it is an attempt to provide accurate history and make it available to the public. I’ve written to you previously, whether you recall it or not. I wrote several times to Eric Muth but it did little to change his conclusions. I would hope you still have an open mind and will examine the published data objectively.

James Ketchum, MD

nice attempt to change the subject though.

Page WF: Long-term health effects of exposure to sarin and other anticholinesterase chemical warfare agents. Military Medicine, 168, 3:239, 2003

This comprehensive follow-up actually provides data that show no evidence of harm done to the health of volunteers exposed to drugs like BZ or Sarin. The only exceptions are a slightly lower rate of problems with attention in the BZ-like chemical testing volunteers (hardly a problem) and a slightly higher rate of sleep problems in those exposed to sarin type drugs (significance unclear). This is hardly an indictment of the program, considering that numerous comparisons were made in a statistically valid analysis, all those other than the two mentioned showing lower or the same rates of health problems in those tested with BZ type (anticholinergic drugs) and/or sarin type (anticholinesterase) drugs. These findings are in agreement with the NAS findings in 1982.

I know people who were paranoid for years. I’ve had paranoid trips and I don’t believe I’m all the way back yet.
and these were in the rock-n-roll and grateful dead situations etc.

Given the army state of mind ands it’s known methods I would like to know more about the people he claims were not hurt.

Im more inclined to support Mike Bailey (posted above) and not believe the doctor representing this work as noble etc.

Further I believe Mr BAiley and his fellows deserve a complete aknowledgement and just compensation, ratehr than more paranoia inducing denial by this guy and the army.

Hey, I met four people who worked that naval yard during World War II, and they never said a word about it. If something had gone on, they would have known and would have spoken up. They had nothing to fear.

These men are: Robert A. Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Theodore Sturgeon and L. Sprauge deCamp. There might have been another one or two , but I can’t recall at this early in the morning.

All the Philadelphia Experiment stuff is BS. A lot of it is information of the kind “a friend of a friend told me”, and one of the books on the subject was “channeled”.

Of the 7120 enlisted men used from 1955 thru 1975 the last health study completed by the IOM in March 2003 based on the men of Edgewood shows that 2098 men died prematurely and another 2200 men are disabled for a combined death and disability rate of 74.43%, so the program was hardly harmless. The IOM Report can be found here http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/5/844/MilitaryMedicineSarin2003.pdf

I am in contact with 12 other veterans of the Edgewood experiments and we are all disabled, yet the VA will NOT address the experiments at Edgewood Arsenal nor the EPA reports that show the 77 toxic materials in the soil and water wells of the Arsenal found in 1978 which led the EPA to order the water wells capped http://cfpub1.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/ccontinfo.cfm?id=0300421 this is the list of toxic substances.

Everyone is allowed their own opinions but not their own set of facts, this program did hurt people, the 1975 DA IG Report found these experiments violated the Nuremberg Codes of 1947 and Congress pressed the Army until the Program was stopped in June 1975. They did not truly give the volunteers informed consent, the volunteers signed consent forms on arrival at Edgewood that covered the entire 60 day test period, not experiment by experiment as informed consent requires.

Justice Sandra Day O’Connor stated in the 1987 Stanley vs US dissent that these experiments remined her of “Auschwitz style experiments” and the the “victims deserved to be compensated” hardly a endorsement of a well run program.