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		<title>By: Jimmy Wales skeptical of wisdom of the crowd &#124; Search Engine People Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Wales skeptical of wisdom of the crowd &#124; Search Engine People Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wales, founder of Wikipedia, on &#8220;wisdom of the crowds&#8221;: &#8220;In general, I&#8217;m pretty skeptical of the idea. And [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Sherlock</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-20184</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Sherlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, it appears that Dr. Hill believes that if he provides the Wikimedia Foundation with money, then his charity will be automatically guaranteed a spot on Wikipedia. I am happy to say that this is not the case. While I have nothing personally against World Innovation Foundation Charity, Wikipedia&#039;s neutrality and impartiality is very important. 

I have reviewed the original article. There are absolutely no references in the final revision before it was deleted. The main reason that it was deleted was because we didn&#039;t believe that the organisation was notable enough to be listed on Wikipedia. This was done through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Innovation_Foundation - I will let the reader judge whether this was a fair process. I should also note that if someone believes and can demonstrate that they are notable, then there is a deletion review process.

Dr. Hill should also be aware of our suggested guidelines that deal with potential conflicts of interest - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest Though it isn&#039;t prohibited on Wikipedia, it is clearly a conflict of interest to write about your own organisation. It is thus frowned upon. I think that given the goals of Wikipedia, this is pretty reasonable. 

Personally, I don&#039;t believe that Wikipedia editors or the Wikimedia Foundation has anything against this charity. In my dealings with Wikipedia and the WMF, I have always found that they welcome contructive dialogue with organisations and individuals. 

Chris Sherlock
User:Ta bu shi da yu
English Wikipedia Administrator (writing in personal capacity)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, it appears that Dr. Hill believes that if he provides the Wikimedia Foundation with money, then his charity will be automatically guaranteed a spot on Wikipedia. I am happy to say that this is not the case. While I have nothing personally against World Innovation Foundation Charity, Wikipedia&#8217;s neutrality and impartiality is very important. </p>
<p>I have reviewed the original article. There are absolutely no references in the final revision before it was deleted. The main reason that it was deleted was because we didn&#8217;t believe that the organisation was notable enough to be listed on Wikipedia. This was done through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Innovation_Foundation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Innovation_Foundation</a> &#8211; I will let the reader judge whether this was a fair process. I should also note that if someone believes and can demonstrate that they are notable, then there is a deletion review process.</p>
<p>Dr. Hill should also be aware of our suggested guidelines that deal with potential conflicts of interest &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest</a> Though it isn&#8217;t prohibited on Wikipedia, it is clearly a conflict of interest to write about your own organisation. It is thus frowned upon. I think that given the goals of Wikipedia, this is pretty reasonable. </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t believe that Wikipedia editors or the Wikimedia Foundation has anything against this charity. In my dealings with Wikipedia and the WMF, I have always found that they welcome contructive dialogue with organisations and individuals. </p>
<p>Chris Sherlock<br />
User:Ta bu shi da yu<br />
English Wikipedia Administrator (writing in personal capacity)</p>
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		<title>By: david hill</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-18279</link>
		<dc:creator>david hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy &#039;Jimbo&#039; Wales will destroy Wikipedia and not GOOGLE. A strange irony but true.

Up to 9 months ago we financially contributed funds to Wikipedia but no more, for we thought that it was a good idea and where its thinking was in unison with our own at that time - using knowledge for the good of humankind. When we as novices tried to place our Swiss charity within Wikipedia we were absolutely savaged by the editors. They in fact blocked our right of reply, which is documented by themselves.
Thereafter we even sent our registration documents via email to the then executive director of Wikimedia, the holding organization, to prove that our international group was registered as a Swiss charity. He did nothing at all. A few months later he resigned with another top Wikimedia executive, &#039;Jimbo&#039;s second in command.  The greatest problem with Wikipedia that we now find is that they are highly selective in who should place information and where therefore they will never really have a web-based encyclopaedia that is unbiased and totally factual. It is ultimately at the whims of the few enlightened ones who control what should be a great reference. Unfortunately we now see that it is not.

For anyone interested further on how Wikipedia editors work, the full account including all emails will be part of our next web newsletter &#039;Scientific Discovery&#039;. It will be on-line by the end of July 2007. Overall, it is time we feel that Wikipedia looked internally at itself and that they concluded that they have major problems with the way they treat new entrants. This analysis should especially be directed towards the attitude of their editors, who remove the right of reply and delete super-quick for reasons not based on evidence but only hearsay. By the way also, the Wikipedian Editor Zoe who first blocked us and the initial instigator of all the basic trouble, fell out with &#039;Jimbo&#039; and where she as well left a few months later. Apparently she had made a vendetta against a certain professor according to &#039;Jimbo&#039;s&#039; opinion. Thereafter she took her bat and ball home and has never been seen since. I believe she also threatened the embattled professor at the time - the web link is http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:dUfUXyA24wwJ:www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Zoe+zoe+wikipedia+professor+change+wikipedia&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=3&amp;gl=uk. 


Dr. David Hill
Chief Executive
World Innovation Foundation Charity (reg. no. CH-035.7.035.277-9  - 11th July 2005) 
Bern, Switzerland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy &#8216;Jimbo&#8217; Wales will destroy Wikipedia and not GOOGLE. A strange irony but true.</p>
<p>Up to 9 months ago we financially contributed funds to Wikipedia but no more, for we thought that it was a good idea and where its thinking was in unison with our own at that time &#8211; using knowledge for the good of humankind. When we as novices tried to place our Swiss charity within Wikipedia we were absolutely savaged by the editors. They in fact blocked our right of reply, which is documented by themselves.<br />
Thereafter we even sent our registration documents via email to the then executive director of Wikimedia, the holding organization, to prove that our international group was registered as a Swiss charity. He did nothing at all. A few months later he resigned with another top Wikimedia executive, &#8216;Jimbo&#8217;s second in command.  The greatest problem with Wikipedia that we now find is that they are highly selective in who should place information and where therefore they will never really have a web-based encyclopaedia that is unbiased and totally factual. It is ultimately at the whims of the few enlightened ones who control what should be a great reference. Unfortunately we now see that it is not.</p>
<p>For anyone interested further on how Wikipedia editors work, the full account including all emails will be part of our next web newsletter &#8216;Scientific Discovery&#8217;. It will be on-line by the end of July 2007. Overall, it is time we feel that Wikipedia looked internally at itself and that they concluded that they have major problems with the way they treat new entrants. This analysis should especially be directed towards the attitude of their editors, who remove the right of reply and delete super-quick for reasons not based on evidence but only hearsay. By the way also, the Wikipedian Editor Zoe who first blocked us and the initial instigator of all the basic trouble, fell out with &#8216;Jimbo&#8217; and where she as well left a few months later. Apparently she had made a vendetta against a certain professor according to &#8216;Jimbo&#8217;s&#8217; opinion. Thereafter she took her bat and ball home and has never been seen since. I believe she also threatened the embattled professor at the time &#8211; the web link is <a href="http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:dUfUXyA24wwJ:www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Zoe+zoe+wikipedia+professor+change+wikipedia&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=3&#038;gl=uk" rel="nofollow">http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:dUfUXyA24wwJ:www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Zoe+zoe+wikipedia+professor+change+wikipedia&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=3&#038;gl=uk</a>. </p>
<p>Dr. David Hill<br />
Chief Executive<br />
World Innovation Foundation Charity (reg. no. CH-035.7.035.277-9  &#8211; 11th July 2005)<br />
Bern, Switzerland</p>
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		<title>By: banned user</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-12416</link>
		<dc:creator>banned user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy is actually not the one who founded wikipedia.He is a porn merchant and gets his money from his pron career to fund his propaganda machine.
See this http://www.mail-archive.com/greenyouth@googlegroups.com/msg01290.html

There are groups of cabals on wikipedia controlling different sets of articles because they see wikipedia as a perfect instrument to spread their beleifs and brainwash readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy is actually not the one who founded wikipedia.He is a porn merchant and gets his money from his pron career to fund his propaganda machine.<br />
See this <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/greenyouth@googlegroups.com/msg01290.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/greenyouth@googlegroups.com/msg01290.html</a></p>
<p>There are groups of cabals on wikipedia controlling different sets of articles because they see wikipedia as a perfect instrument to spread their beleifs and brainwash readers.</p>
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		<title>By: ITW Jimmy &#8220;Jimbo Wales Wiki Media &#171; foreverweb</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-8938</link>
		<dc:creator>ITW Jimmy &#8220;Jimbo Wales Wiki Media &#171; foreverweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Rapaport</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6628</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rapaport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;wisdom of crowds&quot; is the wrong rhetoric but for a very good idea that the Wikipedia comes close to accomplishing, distilling wisdom from crowds.  

Among any crowd lie a few who are hard-working and motivated, a few who are talented, a few who are insightful and a few who are persuasive.   And perhaps one with vision.  The right forum can self-sort all of these into a collaboration that&#039;s greater than the sum of the parts.    I think (and this essay by my wife details) how MediaWiki is the most recent step on the evolutionary path towards such a smart forum. http://www.romlin.com/writings/MediaWiki%20and%20the%20Public%20Sphere-web.pdf

http://romlin.com/ has more.

I  also don&#039;t see any dissonance between Jimbo&#039;s stated goals, the way he&#039;s gone about accomplishing them, and Objectivism.  One way to look at Objectivism is that an individual with vision, persistence and talent can and should build an empire and prosper from it.  It seems to me that Jimbo&#039;s doing just fine, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;wisdom of crowds&#8221; is the wrong rhetoric but for a very good idea that the Wikipedia comes close to accomplishing, distilling wisdom from crowds.  </p>
<p>Among any crowd lie a few who are hard-working and motivated, a few who are talented, a few who are insightful and a few who are persuasive.   And perhaps one with vision.  The right forum can self-sort all of these into a collaboration that&#8217;s greater than the sum of the parts.    I think (and this essay by my wife details) how MediaWiki is the most recent step on the evolutionary path towards such a smart forum. <a href="http://www.romlin.com/writings/MediaWiki%20and%20the%20Public%20Sphere-web.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.romlin.com/writings/MediaWiki%20and%20the%20Public%20Sphere-web.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://romlin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://romlin.com/</a> has more.</p>
<p>I  also don&#8217;t see any dissonance between Jimbo&#8217;s stated goals, the way he&#8217;s gone about accomplishing them, and Objectivism.  One way to look at Objectivism is that an individual with vision, persistence and talent can and should build an empire and prosper from it.  It seems to me that Jimbo&#8217;s doing just fine, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Santhosh Samarthyam Ramamoorthy</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6617</link>
		<dc:creator>Santhosh Samarthyam Ramamoorthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want both freedom and control. How is it possible sir?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want both freedom and control. How is it possible sir?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Magruder</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6590</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Magruder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be an adherent to objectivism requires linear thinking and extreme selfishness, so when we see that Mr. Wales supports open collaboration, community building and &quot;un-fixed&quot; thinking, cognitive dissonance commences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be an adherent to objectivism requires linear thinking and extreme selfishness, so when we see that Mr. Wales supports open collaboration, community building and &#8220;un-fixed&#8221; thinking, cognitive dissonance commences.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha Vita-More</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha Vita-More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several surprises in this article, but the most interesting by far is the realization that JW brings objectivism to the masses through a collaborative system which hides true identities!

Great article RU - enjoyed reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several surprises in this article, but the most interesting by far is the realization that JW brings objectivism to the masses through a collaborative system which hides true identities!</p>
<p>Great article RU &#8211; enjoyed reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Lebkowsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Lebkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I have to go back and listen to what I said, because I didn&#039;t realize I was all *that* positive about *the* wisdom of crowds.  There can be *a* wisdom of crowds. Surowiecki describes four elements that &quot;wise crowds&quot; require: diversity of opinion, independence, decentralization, and aggregation. Even iwth these, the magic doesn&#039;t always work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I have to go back and listen to what I said, because I didn&#8217;t realize I was all *that* positive about *the* wisdom of crowds.  There can be *a* wisdom of crowds. Surowiecki describes four elements that &#8220;wise crowds&#8221; require: diversity of opinion, independence, decentralization, and aggregation. Even iwth these, the magic doesn&#8217;t always work.</p>
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		<title>By: RU Sirius</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6538</link>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But not Beck. He&#039;s with those other guys...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But not Beck. He&#8217;s with those other guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fling!</title>
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		<dc:creator>fling!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, for some reason, finding out someone prominent is an Objectivist is like learning they&#039;re a scientologist. in this case, Wales is keeping company with Neil Peart, John Stossel, Alan Greenspan, and let&#039;s not forget, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/12/the-secret-life-of-jason-fortuny/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jason Fortuny&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, for some reason, finding out someone prominent is an Objectivist is like learning they&#8217;re a scientologist. in this case, Wales is keeping company with Neil Peart, John Stossel, Alan Greenspan, and let&#8217;s not forget, <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/12/the-secret-life-of-jason-fortuny/" rel="nofollow">Jason Fortuny</a>.</p>
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