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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-25888</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>long live Chavez! down with baby Bush and papa Bush!</description>
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		<title>By: gordocova</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18874</link>
		<dc:creator>gordocova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Liebertz you got your facts wrong. It´s true tha Rctv splited their screen, like all the others channels did, but it was a journalist from another tv channel (venevision) and not from rctv who "cut images of Chavistas shooting off of a bridge and claimed that they were targeting a sea of unarmed peaceful protestors below" and even if this is true no one has shown a bealivable proof of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Liebertz you got your facts wrong. It´s true tha Rctv splited their screen, like all the others channels did, but it was a journalist from another tv channel (venevision) and not from rctv who &#8220;cut images of Chavistas shooting off of a bridge and claimed that they were targeting a sea of unarmed peaceful protestors below&#8221; and even if this is true no one has shown a bealivable proof of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Liebertz</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18333</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Liebertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Arcaya,
Your explanation is certainly better than that of  most critics of Chavez, but I think it needs to be made clear that RCTV didn't just split the screen on April 11th.  They cut images of Chavistas shooting off of a bridge and claimed that they were targeting a sea of unarmed peaceful protestors below.  In actuality, they were in a gun fight with the Opposition led Metropolitan Police and mysterious snipers nearby.  As if this wasn't bad enough, the producers at RCTV were told they couldn't broadcast any pro-Chavez opinions or analyses after the coup.  These are extremely subversive actions, and I doubt they would be tolerated in the United States.  For more information see the videos "Puente Llaguno: Claves de Un Masacre" and "La Revolución No Será Transmitida."  For the Opposition's perspective, see "Radiografías de Una Mentira."
Sincerely,
Scott Liebertz
Valencia, Venezuela</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Arcaya,<br />
Your explanation is certainly better than that of  most critics of Chavez, but I think it needs to be made clear that RCTV didn&#8217;t just split the screen on April 11th.  They cut images of Chavistas shooting off of a bridge and claimed that they were targeting a sea of unarmed peaceful protestors below.  In actuality, they were in a gun fight with the Opposition led Metropolitan Police and mysterious snipers nearby.  As if this wasn&#8217;t bad enough, the producers at RCTV were told they couldn&#8217;t broadcast any pro-Chavez opinions or analyses after the coup.  These are extremely subversive actions, and I doubt they would be tolerated in the United States.  For more information see the videos &#8220;Puente Llaguno: Claves de Un Masacre&#8221; and &#8220;La Revolución No Será Transmitida.&#8221;  For the Opposition&#8217;s perspective, see &#8220;Radiografías de Una Mentira.&#8221;<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Scott Liebertz<br />
Valencia, Venezuela</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the people in Venezuela will miss out on cheesy soap operas. Who cares if Chavez shut down RCTV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the people in Venezuela will miss out on cheesy soap operas. Who cares if Chavez shut down RCTV?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Arcaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Arcaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stuart, thanks for your comments.

I probably should have explained a little bit why I wrote “coup”, but for space considerations I decided not to make the article more complex that it was.

Personally, I do believe that a coup happened –as a matter of fact I think that TWO coups happened in just a matter of days.

The problem is that, according to the Supreme Court in Venezuela, there was no coup – only a figure they called “vacuum of power”. Why? Let’s review some facts:

1)On the morning of April 11, quite a large number of people decided that they were tired that the government spokespeople continue to say that they were “special effects” and that they were going to Miraflores (think the White House) to prove that they were real. (the government line was that the concentrations of people were actually very few people, and, that the TV stations where using 3d software to make the concentrations bigger). Or, you can parse it using the official interpretation that quite a lot of people were manipulated by a few voices and decided to march to Miraflores to kill Chavez. Really, the interpretation of their motive is irrelevant in this analysis.

2)As the people were approaching Miraflores, Chavez ordered a “chain” and started telling people in the country that the manifestation had been dissolved and that everything was under control. At the same time, people were shooting each other very, very close to where Chavez was broadcasting. The commercial TV stations (all of them, not only RCTV) decided to split the screen to show what was really happening.

3)About the same time, orders where given to the high command of the National Guard and the army to mobilize troops to Caracas to contain the manifestation. Citing humanitarian concerns, many generals refused to try to contain an angry mob using military personal.

4)Some national guard units did comply with some of the orders. For example, a unit was dispatched to the central broadcasting antenna for the tv stations in Caracas, and, at gunpoint, ordered that the commercial tv stations signal must be stopped. A media blackout happened, leaving everybody wondering what the hell was going on.

5)Around midnight, the TV signals where back online and the Gen. Lucas Rincon (the highest ranking officer in the country and a close personal friend of Chavez) announced the country that Chavez had handed a resignation, and that his only request was to be allowed safe passage to Cuba. He went on saying that Chavez was not coerced in any way to present the resignation.

6)On the morning of the 12, and all through the day, not only many of the government officials were recognising the fact that their government was over, but even the Cuban ambassador were recognising Carmona’s presidency. At the same time, many, many voices in the opposition where really critical of the choice of Carmona as an interim president, but also saying that new elections where necessary immediately, otherwise the new government will be illegal. It is telling that quite a lot of the prominent figures on the opposition were absent at the confirmation of Carmona as an interim president.

7)On the 13, there were quite a lot of protest – Many because they wanted Chavez back, but also many criticizing the choice of Carmona as a president. In Caracas, the only place I can give you a personal report, the protest were a lot smaller than the protest on April 11 – Only they were quite a lot more violent.

8)The negotiations between Carmona’s group and the military leaders fell down; both had quite different agendas on what to do with the country. Also, Carmona’s people where against the idea of letting Chavez go to Cuba, as they wanted to try him for the deaths of April 11. The idea that it was “the people” who put Chavez back in power is a romantic, but mostly false, account of what happened those days.

9)The same military people that did the coup against Chavez did a re-coup and put Chavez back in power. Case in point, the general that announced that Chavez had resigned continued to work closely with Chavez, and now is the Ambassador of Venezuela in Portugal.

10)In the aftermath, the governments proceeded to block all attempts for an independent review of what happened on those days. The only people that were charged where from the opposition group, and even for them, the Supreme Court had to rule out that, if Gen. Lucas Rincon was telling the truth, there was no coup, only a resignation – And if he was lying, well, he is the one who should be charged with the coup accusation or at least be part of the same charge against these people – That’s were the doctrine of “vacuum of power” started.

Fact is that no one has ever been found guilty by the Venezuelan legal system for that coup. No one related to RCTV has even been CHARGED with any crime related to coup. So, the argument that they incited a coup is only hearsay. I heard many people make the analogy “What if ABC decided to make a coup against Bush and he decided to close ABC? Is not his right?” But that argument is flawed… The real question you must be asking should be “What if Bush started saying that ABC was helping a coup, and then, without any confirmation of that affirmation from a court of law, and without presenting any credible proof (in the legal sense), he decided to close ABC?” Would you support that? Because, frankly, that is what you are supporting when you support the closure of RCTV.

Sorry for the long post. As I tried to point out in the main article, the situation here is waaaay more complex that most people outside the country realize; Not even us who live it day after day really know what is going on and what has happened in the past - And that is one of the motives why I dislike this goverment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stuart, thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>I probably should have explained a little bit why I wrote “coup”, but for space considerations I decided not to make the article more complex that it was.</p>
<p>Personally, I do believe that a coup happened –as a matter of fact I think that TWO coups happened in just a matter of days.</p>
<p>The problem is that, according to the Supreme Court in Venezuela, there was no coup – only a figure they called “vacuum of power”. Why? Let’s review some facts:</p>
<p>1)On the morning of April 11, quite a large number of people decided that they were tired that the government spokespeople continue to say that they were “special effects” and that they were going to Miraflores (think the White House) to prove that they were real. (the government line was that the concentrations of people were actually very few people, and, that the TV stations where using 3d software to make the concentrations bigger). Or, you can parse it using the official interpretation that quite a lot of people were manipulated by a few voices and decided to march to Miraflores to kill Chavez. Really, the interpretation of their motive is irrelevant in this analysis.</p>
<p>2)As the people were approaching Miraflores, Chavez ordered a “chain” and started telling people in the country that the manifestation had been dissolved and that everything was under control. At the same time, people were shooting each other very, very close to where Chavez was broadcasting. The commercial TV stations (all of them, not only RCTV) decided to split the screen to show what was really happening.</p>
<p>3)About the same time, orders where given to the high command of the National Guard and the army to mobilize troops to Caracas to contain the manifestation. Citing humanitarian concerns, many generals refused to try to contain an angry mob using military personal.</p>
<p>4)Some national guard units did comply with some of the orders. For example, a unit was dispatched to the central broadcasting antenna for the tv stations in Caracas, and, at gunpoint, ordered that the commercial tv stations signal must be stopped. A media blackout happened, leaving everybody wondering what the hell was going on.</p>
<p>5)Around midnight, the TV signals where back online and the Gen. Lucas Rincon (the highest ranking officer in the country and a close personal friend of Chavez) announced the country that Chavez had handed a resignation, and that his only request was to be allowed safe passage to Cuba. He went on saying that Chavez was not coerced in any way to present the resignation.</p>
<p>6)On the morning of the 12, and all through the day, not only many of the government officials were recognising the fact that their government was over, but even the Cuban ambassador were recognising Carmona’s presidency. At the same time, many, many voices in the opposition where really critical of the choice of Carmona as an interim president, but also saying that new elections where necessary immediately, otherwise the new government will be illegal. It is telling that quite a lot of the prominent figures on the opposition were absent at the confirmation of Carmona as an interim president.</p>
<p>7)On the 13, there were quite a lot of protest – Many because they wanted Chavez back, but also many criticizing the choice of Carmona as a president. In Caracas, the only place I can give you a personal report, the protest were a lot smaller than the protest on April 11 – Only they were quite a lot more violent.</p>
<p>8)The negotiations between Carmona’s group and the military leaders fell down; both had quite different agendas on what to do with the country. Also, Carmona’s people where against the idea of letting Chavez go to Cuba, as they wanted to try him for the deaths of April 11. The idea that it was “the people” who put Chavez back in power is a romantic, but mostly false, account of what happened those days.</p>
<p>9)The same military people that did the coup against Chavez did a re-coup and put Chavez back in power. Case in point, the general that announced that Chavez had resigned continued to work closely with Chavez, and now is the Ambassador of Venezuela in Portugal.</p>
<p>10)In the aftermath, the governments proceeded to block all attempts for an independent review of what happened on those days. The only people that were charged where from the opposition group, and even for them, the Supreme Court had to rule out that, if Gen. Lucas Rincon was telling the truth, there was no coup, only a resignation – And if he was lying, well, he is the one who should be charged with the coup accusation or at least be part of the same charge against these people – That’s were the doctrine of “vacuum of power” started.</p>
<p>Fact is that no one has ever been found guilty by the Venezuelan legal system for that coup. No one related to RCTV has even been CHARGED with any crime related to coup. So, the argument that they incited a coup is only hearsay. I heard many people make the analogy “What if ABC decided to make a coup against Bush and he decided to close ABC? Is not his right?” But that argument is flawed… The real question you must be asking should be “What if Bush started saying that ABC was helping a coup, and then, without any confirmation of that affirmation from a court of law, and without presenting any credible proof (in the legal sense), he decided to close ABC?” Would you support that? Because, frankly, that is what you are supporting when you support the closure of RCTV.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post. As I tried to point out in the main article, the situation here is waaaay more complex that most people outside the country realize; Not even us who live it day after day really know what is going on and what has happened in the past - And that is one of the motives why I dislike this goverment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18253</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean RCTV can no longer use a public resource (the airwaves) to support the overthrow of a democratically elected government?  Damn, that’s harsh.  The US and other free nations would surely renew a broadcast license if a television behaved similarly in their country.

Nope, there is no need to listen to the foreign Chavistas when the majority of the Venezuelan population has already spoken.  

BTW I love "coup" in parenthesis.  It really helps to demonstrate your credentials of one that is concerned with democracy when you trivialize a military coup that ultimately failed because the majority of the Venezuelan population was so opposed to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean RCTV can no longer use a public resource (the airwaves) to support the overthrow of a democratically elected government?  Damn, that’s harsh.  The US and other free nations would surely renew a broadcast license if a television behaved similarly in their country.</p>
<p>Nope, there is no need to listen to the foreign Chavistas when the majority of the Venezuelan population has already spoken.  </p>
<p>BTW I love &#8220;coup&#8221; in parenthesis.  It really helps to demonstrate your credentials of one that is concerned with democracy when you trivialize a military coup that ultimately failed because the majority of the Venezuelan population was so opposed to it.</p>
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		<title>By: ANDRES</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18201</link>
		<dc:creator>ANDRES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think i'll go with what Pmayne thinks about getting the background history of politics before trying to judge...I also think Chavez is also trying to do what's best for his country, after all why is the media, and  other  political leaders on his case. Great spirits suffer opposition from mediocre minds and it's always been like that..they either remove you from power, or have you killed...but if you ask me, every dog gets his day..powerful freemasons or not. They are all devil worshippers anyway, except Chavez i'm on his side..May Gog bless him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think i&#8217;ll go with what Pmayne thinks about getting the background history of politics before trying to judge&#8230;I also think Chavez is also trying to do what&#8217;s best for his country, after all why is the media, and  other  political leaders on his case. Great spirits suffer opposition from mediocre minds and it&#8217;s always been like that..they either remove you from power, or have you killed&#8230;but if you ask me, every dog gets his day..powerful freemasons or not. They are all devil worshippers anyway, except Chavez i&#8217;m on his side..May Gog bless him.</p>
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		<title>By: pmayne</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18195</link>
		<dc:creator>pmayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Rodrigo, it's obviously interesting to hear the journalism of a native of Venezuela, but I can't help thinking that your being a bit too harsh on Chavez, painting him as some kind of broadcasting dictator.
It's always important I think to get the background history of the politics of countries to get a better perspective on the situation.
Have you lot ever come across a radio show which is broadcasted from Georgia called "OutThere Radio"? They did a great analysis on coup's in South America. The segment was called "Anatomy of a Coup". 
Here's a summary of the podcast and a link, enjoy!

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:30:00 EST
Learn how to engineer a military overthrow of a South American government in this week's episode! We look at American involvement in the destabilization and eventual overthrow of the Chilean government in the 70's in light of the attempted coup in Venezuela in 2002.

http://www.uga.edu/wuog/podcasts/outthere30.mp3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Rodrigo, it&#8217;s obviously interesting to hear the journalism of a native of Venezuela, but I can&#8217;t help thinking that your being a bit too harsh on Chavez, painting him as some kind of broadcasting dictator.<br />
It&#8217;s always important I think to get the background history of the politics of countries to get a better perspective on the situation.<br />
Have you lot ever come across a radio show which is broadcasted from Georgia called &#8220;OutThere Radio&#8221;? They did a great analysis on coup&#8217;s in South America. The segment was called &#8220;Anatomy of a Coup&#8221;.<br />
Here&#8217;s a summary of the podcast and a link, enjoy!</p>
<p>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:30:00 EST<br />
Learn how to engineer a military overthrow of a South American government in this week&#8217;s episode! We look at American involvement in the destabilization and eventual overthrow of the Chilean government in the 70&#8217;s in light of the attempted coup in Venezuela in 2002.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uga.edu/wuog/podcasts/outthere30.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.uga.edu/wuog/podcasts/outthere30.mp3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Goodwin</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18172</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, Rodrigo. Your position got a link in an argument about Chavez at http://www.gnn.tv/threads/25579/What_s_going_on_in_Venezuela?page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, Rodrigo. Your position got a link in an argument about Chavez at <a href="http://www.gnn.tv/threads/25579/What_s_going_on_in_Venezuela?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnn.tv/threads/25579/What_s_going_on_in_Venezuela?page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18168</link>
		<dc:creator>juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI it is really amazing how pepople outside this country really think that have any clue of what is really going on here, this country has 7  times the budget that it had 10 years ago and  the country is even worse then before, the politicians with chavez have 30 million dollar bank accounts and HUMMERS, the vice president that had no money when chavez became elected has a House on Lago di Como in Italy that its worth 10' million dollars and they dont even try to hide it. This is the most corrupted government ever in Venezuela and we all know it, it does not have one bit of comunist in them, they do not help the people it is all a big lie and part of a personal vengeance that chavez has against the rich people that by the way they all went away, but it is a lie he calls "oligarcas" to any person that has ever owned anything, he destroys the middle class the working class, he is just another dictator that is all.
They are to busy creating a new elitist group of politicians with huge bank accounts to be helping anybody....... all the governments have always done the same thing in this country. This is the biggest scam of all times this man has turned the countrys budget into his own personal bank account... You have no idea really, i dont see any americans leaving their country because for better or worse the sistem seems to work and still all you do is complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI it is really amazing how pepople outside this country really think that have any clue of what is really going on here, this country has 7  times the budget that it had 10 years ago and  the country is even worse then before, the politicians with chavez have 30 million dollar bank accounts and HUMMERS, the vice president that had no money when chavez became elected has a House on Lago di Como in Italy that its worth 10&#8242; million dollars and they dont even try to hide it. This is the most corrupted government ever in Venezuela and we all know it, it does not have one bit of comunist in them, they do not help the people it is all a big lie and part of a personal vengeance that chavez has against the rich people that by the way they all went away, but it is a lie he calls &#8220;oligarcas&#8221; to any person that has ever owned anything, he destroys the middle class the working class, he is just another dictator that is all.<br />
They are to busy creating a new elitist group of politicians with huge bank accounts to be helping anybody&#8230;&#8230;. all the governments have always done the same thing in this country. This is the biggest scam of all times this man has turned the countrys budget into his own personal bank account&#8230; You have no idea really, i dont see any americans leaving their country because for better or worse the sistem seems to work and still all you do is complain.</p>
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		<title>By: El Mike&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banned Venezuelan TV Stations Keeps Broadcasting&#8230; On YouTube</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18123</link>
		<dc:creator>El Mike&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banned Venezuelan TV Stations Keeps Broadcasting&#8230; On YouTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who prefers to remain anonymous submitted this long first person account of what&#8217;s happening in Venezuela with the shut down of a popular TV stati... by the government. The article explains the background, though, from an opinionated position. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who prefers to remain anonymous submitted this long first person account of what&#8217;s happening in Venezuela with the shut down of a popular TV stati&#8230; by the government. The article explains the background, though, from an opinionated position. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mela</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18116</link>
		<dc:creator>Mela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodrigo: Great article. I share that same amusing/disturbing feeling both during Chavez unending chains and during congressmen debates. My favorite is when Chavez talks about physics or when they intercept America’s government confidential faxes. Yes, faxes. - R.U. Couldn’t agree more... wings are dumb!

I also agree with Rodrigo: it’s not a left/right problem. I even think the left/right categories are somewhat old, and they’re not very efficient to rationalize reality anymore… The left used to be linked to certain values that many current left-wingers are not for. On the other hand, Chavez may say he hates the oligarchs and the rich, but he still wears Armani and Rolex while he asks people “to defend the revolution even if they have to starve and be naked to do so.” He’s been accusing people of participating on the coup even before the coup on 2002. And he’s been accusing, for instance, anyone who demonstrates against him (and that includes me, for I have demonstrated, unarmed, and swallowed the army’s tear gas many times, but most certainly did not participate on any coup).

James, I think you might want to double check your sources… RCTV is not broadcasting in cable yet, but some segments of the news were inserted in a cable channel, they are broadcasting the news from YouTube, and they’re planning on broadcast on cable soon, if they reach an agreement with the cable companies. I completely agree with you: not renewing the license is not the same as shutting down the channel. But neither RCTV nor any private person related to the 1BC Group, have been trialed for participating or supporting the “coup.” And they are taking the blame for what other networks did too (splitting the screen, for example or the blackout of broadcasting cartoons while the coup occurred… which by the way is what the government asked Globovision to do while the students and RCTV supporters demonstrated this week). By that time all the channels were on the same track. Now, what’s the argument for “not renewing the license” only in their case? Why not the others…? If they have such “proof” why didn’t they presented it? Every time they presented a case it was different. Once they even accused RCTV of breaking an article that doesn’t exist! What about due process? Basically, as Chavez himself said, he IS the law. Not to mention that they confiscated the equipment. Even if they were right to do that, it was supposed to be held by the government institution in charge until the trial, not given away to the new channel so they could start airing in 15 minutes. Maybe parking enforcers should take a ride in your towed car while you go pay for the ticket...

And if you think FoxNews is somewhat pro-government, you should watch VTV and TEVES, which together don’t get 12 points of share... I wonder where is the majority of Chavistas in the country and what are they watching. It’s not that I watched RCTV all my life and have many beautiful memories, as some Venezuelans have said. I actually don’t like what they air, (I don’t like Venevision or VTV either). But I think they’re just cutting our civil rights. And if other people want to watch it, they should be entitled to it. And if the excuse is the launching of TVES (now on RCTV’s signal and equipment) they could have done it on a different signal… oh, I keep forgetting, they would have to pay for the equipment to broadcast nation-wide.

Yes, Chavez won the elections. But did you know that the person in charge of the Electoral Council, an allegedly autonomous branch of the government, who was supposed to guard the election process, to make sure it was clean, is now the solemn Vice-president of the Republic? And one of the most important members of the new Chavista party, too.

On the bright side, the president of the Asamblea Nacional (the new Congress) presented as evidence some recordings of phone taps (to, once again, prove the “conspiracy”), and openly told us that they broke the law. A few nights ago, when the students were arrested, a journalist asked the Mayor how many injured and arrested students they had on their jurisdiction and he answered that it didn’t matter, because there are not that many students in Caracas, let alone at the demonstration. Humanitarian, huh? It’s cute how they make fools of themselves and don’t even realize it… hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodrigo: Great article. I share that same amusing/disturbing feeling both during Chavez unending chains and during congressmen debates. My favorite is when Chavez talks about physics or when they intercept America’s government confidential faxes. Yes, faxes. - R.U. Couldn’t agree more&#8230; wings are dumb!</p>
<p>I also agree with Rodrigo: it’s not a left/right problem. I even think the left/right categories are somewhat old, and they’re not very efficient to rationalize reality anymore… The left used to be linked to certain values that many current left-wingers are not for. On the other hand, Chavez may say he hates the oligarchs and the rich, but he still wears Armani and Rolex while he asks people “to defend the revolution even if they have to starve and be naked to do so.” He’s been accusing people of participating on the coup even before the coup on 2002. And he’s been accusing, for instance, anyone who demonstrates against him (and that includes me, for I have demonstrated, unarmed, and swallowed the army’s tear gas many times, but most certainly did not participate on any coup).</p>
<p>James, I think you might want to double check your sources… RCTV is not broadcasting in cable yet, but some segments of the news were inserted in a cable channel, they are broadcasting the news from YouTube, and they’re planning on broadcast on cable soon, if they reach an agreement with the cable companies. I completely agree with you: not renewing the license is not the same as shutting down the channel. But neither RCTV nor any private person related to the 1BC Group, have been trialed for participating or supporting the “coup.” And they are taking the blame for what other networks did too (splitting the screen, for example or the blackout of broadcasting cartoons while the coup occurred… which by the way is what the government asked Globovision to do while the students and RCTV supporters demonstrated this week). By that time all the channels were on the same track. Now, what’s the argument for “not renewing the license” only in their case? Why not the others…? If they have such “proof” why didn’t they presented it? Every time they presented a case it was different. Once they even accused RCTV of breaking an article that doesn’t exist! What about due process? Basically, as Chavez himself said, he IS the law. Not to mention that they confiscated the equipment. Even if they were right to do that, it was supposed to be held by the government institution in charge until the trial, not given away to the new channel so they could start airing in 15 minutes. Maybe parking enforcers should take a ride in your towed car while you go pay for the ticket&#8230;</p>
<p>And if you think FoxNews is somewhat pro-government, you should watch VTV and TEVES, which together don’t get 12 points of share&#8230; I wonder where is the majority of Chavistas in the country and what are they watching. It’s not that I watched RCTV all my life and have many beautiful memories, as some Venezuelans have said. I actually don’t like what they air, (I don’t like Venevision or VTV either). But I think they’re just cutting our civil rights. And if other people want to watch it, they should be entitled to it. And if the excuse is the launching of TVES (now on RCTV’s signal and equipment) they could have done it on a different signal… oh, I keep forgetting, they would have to pay for the equipment to broadcast nation-wide.</p>
<p>Yes, Chavez won the elections. But did you know that the person in charge of the Electoral Council, an allegedly autonomous branch of the government, who was supposed to guard the election process, to make sure it was clean, is now the solemn Vice-president of the Republic? And one of the most important members of the new Chavista party, too.</p>
<p>On the bright side, the president of the Asamblea Nacional (the new Congress) presented as evidence some recordings of phone taps (to, once again, prove the “conspiracy”), and openly told us that they broke the law. A few nights ago, when the students were arrested, a journalist asked the Mayor how many injured and arrested students they had on their jurisdiction and he answered that it didn’t matter, because there are not that many students in Caracas, let alone at the demonstration. Humanitarian, huh? It’s cute how they make fools of themselves and don’t even realize it… hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: evrfs</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18105</link>
		<dc:creator>evrfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In fact, most educated Latin Americans are quite accustomed to free speech and basic human rights. We don’t really need the paternalism… but thanks anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, &lt;i&gt;educated&lt;/i&gt; Latin Americans, who make up a much smaller share of the population. I hardly need to comment on how many of those people view their poorer masses of their fellow citizens, or how they recommend their governments treat those individuals, since you are already familiar with such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In fact, most educated Latin Americans are quite accustomed to free speech and basic human rights. We don’t really need the paternalism… but thanks anyway.</i></p>
<p>Yes, <i>educated</i> Latin Americans, who make up a much smaller share of the population. I hardly need to comment on how many of those people view their poorer masses of their fellow citizens, or how they recommend their governments treat those individuals, since you are already familiar with such things.</p>
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		<title>By: RU Sirius</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18104</link>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always firmly believed that while most rightwingers were as dumb as snails, most leftwingers were almost as smart as donkeys!  And now I have my proof...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always firmly believed that while most rightwingers were as dumb as snails, most leftwingers were almost as smart as donkeys!  And now I have my proof&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention in your breakdown of cable channels that RCTV is broadcast (and still broadcasts) on cable (also on Radio).  Also that 'shutting down' is not the same as not renewing a license because of failure to abide by agreements (like not supporting a coup, like RCTV did).  Seems you forgot a few things in your summary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention in your breakdown of cable channels that RCTV is broadcast (and still broadcasts) on cable (also on Radio).  Also that &#8217;shutting down&#8217; is not the same as not renewing a license because of failure to abide by agreements (like not supporting a coup, like RCTV did).  Seems you forgot a few things in your summary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Diehl</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Diehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, that can be arranged, but you'll have to give me some way to contact you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, that can be arranged, but you&#8217;ll have to give me some way to contact you.</p>
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		<title>By: Venezuela: updates on media turmoil. Chavez, protests, pwnage &#124; 0HV.NET : Internet Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18095</link>
		<dc:creator>Venezuela: updates on media turmoil. Chavez, protests, pwnage &#124; 0HV.NET : Internet Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a first-person account of the media turmoil in Venezuela by Rodrigo L. Arcaya, a 36-year-old Venezuelan who owns a web development company in Caracas. His bio describes him as &#8220;an iconoclastic, anti-authoritarian opponent of excess state power.&#8221; On 10zenmonkeys. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s a first-person account of the media turmoil in Venezuela by Rodrigo L. Arcaya, a 36-year-old Venezuelan who owns a web development company in Caracas. His bio describes him as &#8220;an iconoclastic, anti-authoritarian opponent of excess state power.&#8221; On 10zenmonkeys. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18093</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece. I'd love to republish this on my site, GNN.tv? Let me know if that's possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece. I&#8217;d love to republish this on my site, GNN.tv? Let me know if that&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Arcaya</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18082</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Arcaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hal - Just wanted to point out that I'm perfectly aware of the bad politics of the US towards Latin America - I live everyday the consequences of more than 50  years of Imperial politics. However, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is true only on the realm of formal logic. I can be anti-Chavez and anti-Imperialist at the same time. As a matter of fact, most people catalog me as a "leftist". But I'm also strongly anti-autoritarian.  I want people to realize that this is not a problem of Left vs. Right. This is not even about Rich vs. Poor (Which is a BIG problem down here). This is about a small elite, lead by one person alone, who wants to tell people what they can or cannot do. This is about a person who has said: “If someone doesn’t like my government, they are free to leave the country”. Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hal - Just wanted to point out that I&#8217;m perfectly aware of the bad politics of the US towards Latin America - I live everyday the consequences of more than 50  years of Imperial politics. However, &#8220;the enemy of my enemy is my friend&#8221; is true only on the realm of formal logic. I can be anti-Chavez and anti-Imperialist at the same time. As a matter of fact, most people catalog me as a &#8220;leftist&#8221;. But I&#8217;m also strongly anti-autoritarian.  I want people to realize that this is not a problem of Left vs. Right. This is not even about Rich vs. Poor (Which is a BIG problem down here). This is about a small elite, lead by one person alone, who wants to tell people what they can or cannot do. This is about a person who has said: “If someone doesn’t like my government, they are free to leave the country”. Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Centellas</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/#comment-18076</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Centellas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rodrigo. This was actually one of the best pieces I've read on the subject. History will judge this regime, as it has judged Peron, Vargas, and others. Sadly, you &#38; I probably know our Latin American history better than most other "outside" observers. One of the sadest things, of course, is the way that most of the pro-Chavez comments on blogs seem to come from English (or at least European) surnames; so I've also noted the kind of weir racism. At another blog, an American actually said my "mental defectivness" (because I didn't like his position) was "because of my genes" (swear to god) and that I was only where I was "because of affirmative action." I guess that's what passes for progressive these days. Sometimes I wonder if the reason so many turn away from the left in dissilusionment, is because of how fellow leftists treat each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rodrigo. This was actually one of the best pieces I&#8217;ve read on the subject. History will judge this regime, as it has judged Peron, Vargas, and others. Sadly, you &amp; I probably know our Latin American history better than most other &#8220;outside&#8221; observers. One of the sadest things, of course, is the way that most of the pro-Chavez comments on blogs seem to come from English (or at least European) surnames; so I&#8217;ve also noted the kind of weir racism. At another blog, an American actually said my &#8220;mental defectivness&#8221; (because I didn&#8217;t like his position) was &#8220;because of my genes&#8221; (swear to god) and that I was only where I was &#8220;because of affirmative action.&#8221; I guess that&#8217;s what passes for progressive these days. Sometimes I wonder if the reason so many turn away from the left in dissilusionment, is because of how fellow leftists treat each other.</p>
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