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	<title>Comments on: Web Fight: Wikipedia, YouTube vs. Perverted Justice</title>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-29751</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I definitely think that it is wrong to cut out an editor simply because of their stance. While I understand Midnight's sentiment that both sides should be prevented from editing,  I disagree strongly. All of the viewpoints need to be represented, not just the ones in the center. The center isn't necessairily right, and only center opinions would make the encyclopedia very boring. 

Interesting stance, while I understand your Point of view, think about this. In the beginning of the pyromania article, it doesn't state that acting on pyro impulses is illegal. It doesn't state that acting on necrophiliac impulses is illegal in the beginning of the necrophilia article. See what I'm saying? I also understand that the age of consent varies, so it is possible that in some places acting of pedophilic urges is not illegal, making your statement inaccurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I definitely think that it is wrong to cut out an editor simply because of their stance. While I understand Midnight&#8217;s sentiment that both sides should be prevented from editing,  I disagree strongly. All of the viewpoints need to be represented, not just the ones in the center. The center isn&#8217;t necessairily right, and only center opinions would make the encyclopedia very boring. </p>
<p>Interesting stance, while I understand your Point of view, think about this. In the beginning of the pyromania article, it doesn&#8217;t state that acting on pyro impulses is illegal. It doesn&#8217;t state that acting on necrophiliac impulses is illegal in the beginning of the necrophilia article. See what I&#8217;m saying? I also understand that the age of consent varies, so it is possible that in some places acting of pedophilic urges is not illegal, making your statement inaccurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Intersesting Stance</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-24471</link>
		<dc:creator>Intersesting Stance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went back to the site definition tonight, and low and behold, Wikepedia did an in depth massive overhaul of the definition, and locked it for further editing. I'm very glad for that. 

Yet still, they are hesitant to mention acting on pedophilic impulses is illegal. Instead, they write this:

 " The term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote an adult who is sexually attracted to adolescents or youths below the local age of consent,[2] as well as those accused or convicted of child sexual abuse or child pornography related offences."

Local age of consent? How mild. As if it's ok to be romantically attracted to an 11 year old in Utah but not in California? Not accurate and misleading. 

Child sexual abuse? Pedophilia is attraction of a romantic nature to children.  Child sexual abuse is an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.  If the pedophile brings flowers and candy and sweet talks a child  or brings ropes and belts, it is still against the law. 

Laws are clear, children are off limits. Why is it so difficult for Wikipedia to state clearly "acting on pedophilic impulses is illegal"   in the very first paragraphs so that children and teens reading this definition are made aware of this in  simplest terms?  This is why the definition is there I assume, to educate. Wouldn't it be responsible to educate children and teens on this truth? 

I am grateful for the in depth analysis though. Step in the right direction. Still support the blocking of Wikipedia from family/school settings until standards improve.  The fact that it took this much to get the definition even to mention possible "attraction below local age of consent" and be longer than 2 paragraphs is still cause for alarm.

Perverted Justice  have their work cut out for them.  I can see why they are gaining support from law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back to the site definition tonight, and low and behold, Wikepedia did an in depth massive overhaul of the definition, and locked it for further editing. I&#8217;m very glad for that. </p>
<p>Yet still, they are hesitant to mention acting on pedophilic impulses is illegal. Instead, they write this:</p>
<p> &#8221; The term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote an adult who is sexually attracted to adolescents or youths below the local age of consent,[2] as well as those accused or convicted of child sexual abuse or child pornography related offences.&#8221;</p>
<p>Local age of consent? How mild. As if it&#8217;s ok to be romantically attracted to an 11 year old in Utah but not in California? Not accurate and misleading. </p>
<p>Child sexual abuse? Pedophilia is attraction of a romantic nature to children.  Child sexual abuse is an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.  If the pedophile brings flowers and candy and sweet talks a child  or brings ropes and belts, it is still against the law. </p>
<p>Laws are clear, children are off limits. Why is it so difficult for Wikipedia to state clearly &#8220;acting on pedophilic impulses is illegal&#8221;   in the very first paragraphs so that children and teens reading this definition are made aware of this in  simplest terms?  This is why the definition is there I assume, to educate. Wouldn&#8217;t it be responsible to educate children and teens on this truth? </p>
<p>I am grateful for the in depth analysis though. Step in the right direction. Still support the blocking of Wikipedia from family/school settings until standards improve.  The fact that it took this much to get the definition even to mention possible &#8220;attraction below local age of consent&#8221; and be longer than 2 paragraphs is still cause for alarm.</p>
<p>Perverted Justice  have their work cut out for them.  I can see why they are gaining support from law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Stance</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-24253</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting Stance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked out Wikipedias' definition on the term "pedophile" just to see what all the noise was about. I expected to confirm Perverted Justice is exagerrating, causing hysteria, etc, but what I found was really eye opening.

- Acting on pedophilia impulses is illegal in the US.  That is not mentioned at all in their definition, that  certainly caused me concern. Since suffering from, and acting on, are relevant details to the definition, the absence of defining this causes me concern a child reading this will get the impression it's ok, and not against the law. Dangerous to their well being in my view.

-When one looks up other definitions such as "murder" Wikipedia clearly defines it in its' first sentence as an  illegal act.  

This threatens my view of impartiality and neutrality. Pedophles do not have  legally protected status to engage in their illness in the United States. Acting on their condition should be noted as illegal until it is otherwise. That would be responsible, and truthful  conditions. That Wikipedia has responded as it has casts serious doubt as to their continued legitamacy, and shows a downward turn in my view of them.

I already know several schools who have blocked access to them completely, and other schools are following suit due to this lapse in judgement, and others.  We have known for years Wikipedia would inevitably lose it's ability to remain a safe place for families/schools to visit. Surprising how fast that has occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked out Wikipedias&#8217; definition on the term &#8220;pedophile&#8221; just to see what all the noise was about. I expected to confirm Perverted Justice is exagerrating, causing hysteria, etc, but what I found was really eye opening.</p>
<p>- Acting on pedophilia impulses is illegal in the US.  That is not mentioned at all in their definition, that  certainly caused me concern. Since suffering from, and acting on, are relevant details to the definition, the absence of defining this causes me concern a child reading this will get the impression it&#8217;s ok, and not against the law. Dangerous to their well being in my view.</p>
<p>-When one looks up other definitions such as &#8220;murder&#8221; Wikipedia clearly defines it in its&#8217; first sentence as an  illegal act.  </p>
<p>This threatens my view of impartiality and neutrality. Pedophles do not have  legally protected status to engage in their illness in the United States. Acting on their condition should be noted as illegal until it is otherwise. That would be responsible, and truthful  conditions. That Wikipedia has responded as it has casts serious doubt as to their continued legitamacy, and shows a downward turn in my view of them.</p>
<p>I already know several schools who have blocked access to them completely, and other schools are following suit due to this lapse in judgement, and others.  We have known for years Wikipedia would inevitably lose it&#8217;s ability to remain a safe place for families/schools to visit. Surprising how fast that has occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23660</link>
		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like wiki is run by pedo sympithisers.  I knew LiveJournal is run by pedos, but wiki?  Glad I don't use it.  The last thing I need is to be told "facts" by pedophiles, supported by pedophiles (wiki admins).

People who think pedophiles should have a voice should be shot along with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like wiki is run by pedo sympithisers.  I knew LiveJournal is run by pedos, but wiki?  Glad I don&#8217;t use it.  The last thing I need is to be told &#8220;facts&#8221; by pedophiles, supported by pedophiles (wiki admins).</p>
<p>People who think pedophiles should have a voice should be shot along with them.</p>
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		<title>By: El Mike&#8217;s Internet News Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Group Behind &#8216;To Catch A Predator&#8217; Claims Wikipedia Is A Corporate Sex Offender</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23217</link>
		<dc:creator>El Mike&#8217;s Internet News Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Group Behind &#8216;To Catch A Predator&#8217; Claims Wikipedia Is A Corporate Sex Offender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] used by NBC Dateline&#8217;s equally controversial &#8220;To Catch A Predator&#8221; show) is now claiming that Wikipedia is &#8220;a corporate sex offender.&#8221; Apparently, if you follow the links from Wikipedia to Perverted Justice&#8217;s site, it has a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] used by NBC Dateline&#8217;s equally controversial &#8220;To Catch A Predator&#8221; show) is now claiming that Wikipedia is &#8220;a corporate sex offender.&#8221; Apparently, if you follow the links from Wikipedia to Perverted Justice&#8217;s site, it has a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beowulf Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23170</link>
		<dc:creator>Beowulf Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a banal saying here that's "innocent until proven guilty". Personally, I don't see any reason why Bush would be banned from editing Wikipedia unless there's been previous accounts of him being an ass, being heavily partisan, etc. This same logic can be extended to any member of an "extremist" group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a banal saying here that&#8217;s &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221;. Personally, I don&#8217;t see any reason why Bush would be banned from editing Wikipedia unless there&#8217;s been previous accounts of him being an ass, being heavily partisan, etc. This same logic can be extended to any member of an &#8220;extremist&#8221; group.</p>
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		<title>By: ShemTechnology.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Group Behind &#8216;To Catch A Predator&#8217; Claims Wikipedia Is A Corporate Sex Offender</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23169</link>
		<dc:creator>ShemTechnology.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Group Behind &#8216;To Catch A Predator&#8217; Claims Wikipedia Is A Corporate Sex Offender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] used by NBC Dateline&#8217;s equally controversial &#8220;To Catch A Predator&#8221; show) is now claiming that Wikipedia is &#8220;a corporate sex offender.&#8221; Apparently, if you follow the links from Wikipedia to Perverted Justice&#8217;s site, it has a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] used by NBC Dateline&#8217;s equally controversial &#8220;To Catch A Predator&#8221; show) is now claiming that Wikipedia is &#8220;a corporate sex offender.&#8221; Apparently, if you follow the links from Wikipedia to Perverted Justice&#8217;s site, it has a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus, lol</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus, lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I'm sure that you, Mr. CSO note, are perfectly unbiased on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m sure that you, Mr. CSO note, are perfectly unbiased on this.</p>
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		<title>By: CSO note</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23105</link>
		<dc:creator>CSO note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLueRibbon commenting here is a member of Boychat and various other pedophile organizations. The BL stands for BoyLove, a euphemism pedophiles use to describe themselves. 

http://www.corporatesexoffenders.com/wiki/BLueRibbon

It is always interesting to see how pedophiles will come to articles like this and try to spread misinformation in order to sway the opinions of regular folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLueRibbon commenting here is a member of Boychat and various other pedophile organizations. The BL stands for BoyLove, a euphemism pedophiles use to describe themselves. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.corporatesexoffenders.com/wiki/BLueRibbon" rel="nofollow">http://www.corporatesexoffenders.com/wiki/BLueRibbon</a></p>
<p>It is always interesting to see how pedophiles will come to articles like this and try to spread misinformation in order to sway the opinions of regular folks.</p>
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		<title>By: BLueRibbon</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23091</link>
		<dc:creator>BLueRibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;Would George W. Bush be allowed to edit his own article?&lt;/i&gt;"

Probably not, but a Republican or another supporter would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Would George W. Bush be allowed to edit his own article?</i>&#8220;</p>
<p>Probably not, but a Republican or another supporter would.</p>
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		<title>By: Midnight</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23085</link>
		<dc:creator>Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modemac,

Would George W. Bush be allowed to edit his own article? He's not NPOV right?

Same thing I'm saying.

"Edit wars" on Wiki mostly spring from people with a dog in the fight, editing the article. Agreed? They shouldn't be allowed to do so, such articles should be locked.

Just sayin'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modemac,</p>
<p>Would George W. Bush be allowed to edit his own article? He&#8217;s not NPOV right?</p>
<p>Same thing I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>&#8220;Edit wars&#8221; on Wiki mostly spring from people with a dog in the fight, editing the article. Agreed? They shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to do so, such articles should be locked.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: SplendidOne</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23077</link>
		<dc:creator>SplendidOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a run-in with Perverted Justice when I was on the board of directors of a nonprofit organization. They believed, without any conviction, that one of our 10,000+ members had engaged in online activities with minors and were quite strident that we needed to "out" him and ban him from membership, even though the organization had nothing to do with minors, and their blackmail threats about what they would do to our organization were incredibly unreasonable.

So, the reasonableness of their organization's claims and tactics is immediately suspect to me.

OTOH, I am not a fan of pedophiles. I don't *think* any of my friends are, but I don't know. I do know from interacting with these folks that the moment they *think* someone *is* a pedophile, they want that person to essentially be removed from all aspects of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a run-in with Perverted Justice when I was on the board of directors of a nonprofit organization. They believed, without any conviction, that one of our 10,000+ members had engaged in online activities with minors and were quite strident that we needed to &#8220;out&#8221; him and ban him from membership, even though the organization had nothing to do with minors, and their blackmail threats about what they would do to our organization were incredibly unreasonable.</p>
<p>So, the reasonableness of their organization&#8217;s claims and tactics is immediately suspect to me.</p>
<p>OTOH, I am not a fan of pedophiles. I don&#8217;t *think* any of my friends are, but I don&#8217;t know. I do know from interacting with these folks that the moment they *think* someone *is* a pedophile, they want that person to essentially be removed from all aspects of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Loonesta</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23073</link>
		<dc:creator>Loonesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Our own article on Wikipedia, which you have likely come from, has been edited by known and outed pedophile activists dozens and dozens of times."
Did I miss PJ's clear and substantiated proof of this outlandish claim or is this merely bullsh*t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our own article on Wikipedia, which you have likely come from, has been edited by known and outed pedophile activists dozens and dozens of times.&#8221;<br />
Did I miss PJ&#8217;s clear and substantiated proof of this outlandish claim or is this merely bullsh*t?</p>
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		<title>By: Raptor</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23067</link>
		<dc:creator>Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Pedophilia: A sexual disorder occuring in a person 16 years or older and that is recurrent with intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child. "   ~ DSM-IV

This is NOT an illegal 'activity' it is technically a sexual disorder.  There's nothing illegal about that, therefor why impede their rights of free speech?  

Advocating child-rape is of course another matter all-together, and by all means should be censored, but that's not the issue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pedophilia: A sexual disorder occuring in a person 16 years or older and that is recurrent with intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child. &#8221;   ~ DSM-IV</p>
<p>This is NOT an illegal &#8216;activity&#8217; it is technically a sexual disorder.  There&#8217;s nothing illegal about that, therefor why impede their rights of free speech?  </p>
<p>Advocating child-rape is of course another matter all-together, and by all means should be censored, but that&#8217;s not the issue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BLueRibbon</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23065</link>
		<dc:creator>BLueRibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Xavier" is a loose cannon and has always been unable to work with others at community projects such as Wikipedia. If people refuse to do everything he says, he attempts to bully them into submission.

Xavier has personally admitted that protecting children is not his goal - http://xavier-pj.blogspot.com/

I did indeed say that I edit Wikipedia because it's an important platform, but my edits were genuine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BLueRibbon . I do reject the label of "child rape advocate," however, as I agree with the criminalisation of adult-child sex.

I was banned from Wikipedia for allegedly violating the user page policies. Apparently, posting my bio listed &lt;a href="http://anu.nfshost.com/users/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, as well as links to my blogs (political text) were a violation.

&lt;i&gt;Midnight&lt;/i&gt;,

You are wrong about paedophilia being an activity and you're also incorrect when you suggest that paedophiles are being allowed a voice at Wikipedia; they are covertly banned. I'd like to hear why you support legitimate paedophile editors being banned from editing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Xavier&#8221; is a loose cannon and has always been unable to work with others at community projects such as Wikipedia. If people refuse to do everything he says, he attempts to bully them into submission.</p>
<p>Xavier has personally admitted that protecting children is not his goal - <a href="http://xavier-pj.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://xavier-pj.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I did indeed say that I edit Wikipedia because it&#8217;s an important platform, but my edits were genuine - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BLueRibbon" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BLueRibbon</a> . I do reject the label of &#8220;child rape advocate,&#8221; however, as I agree with the criminalisation of adult-child sex.</p>
<p>I was banned from Wikipedia for allegedly violating the user page policies. Apparently, posting my bio listed <a href="http://anu.nfshost.com/users/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, as well as links to my blogs (political text) were a violation.</p>
<p><i>Midnight</i>,</p>
<p>You are wrong about paedophilia being an activity and you&#8217;re also incorrect when you suggest that paedophiles are being allowed a voice at Wikipedia; they are covertly banned. I&#8217;d like to hear why you support legitimate paedophile editors being banned from editing?</p>
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		<title>By: Modemac</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23055</link>
		<dc:creator>Modemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, that's the same argument Von Erck used on Wikipedia, and it's the same argument peo0ple often use in these kind of discussions: if a person (in this case, me) dares to suggest that even pedophiles have rights and can act on the Internet in a manner that doesn't involve stalking and molesting kids, that person is obviously defending pedophiles, if not a pedophile himself.  It's this kind of hysteria that makes politicians want to pass insane laws against "pedophiles" because they use that logic -- if you oppose it, you're obviously "defending pedophiles."

The statement "Neither anti-pedophile “fanatics” as you call them nor pro pedophiles have NPOV on related articles. Therefore neither should be editing that particular article" can be applied to nearly all of Wikipedia's most contentious and edit-war-prone articles, including their articles on Scientology, George W. Bush, the Armenian Genocide, Microsoft, Wal-mart, Hilary Clinton, and many others.  But I ask you, how can you tell when a person is either an "anti-pedophile fanatic" (a term that I stand by when describing Perverted Justice) or a pedophile, until after that person has spent time editing the articles in question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, that&#8217;s the same argument Von Erck used on Wikipedia, and it&#8217;s the same argument peo0ple often use in these kind of discussions: if a person (in this case, me) dares to suggest that even pedophiles have rights and can act on the Internet in a manner that doesn&#8217;t involve stalking and molesting kids, that person is obviously defending pedophiles, if not a pedophile himself.  It&#8217;s this kind of hysteria that makes politicians want to pass insane laws against &#8220;pedophiles&#8221; because they use that logic &#8212; if you oppose it, you&#8217;re obviously &#8220;defending pedophiles.&#8221;</p>
<p>The statement &#8220;Neither anti-pedophile “fanatics” as you call them nor pro pedophiles have NPOV on related articles. Therefore neither should be editing that particular article&#8221; can be applied to nearly all of Wikipedia&#8217;s most contentious and edit-war-prone articles, including their articles on Scientology, George W. Bush, the Armenian Genocide, Microsoft, Wal-mart, Hilary Clinton, and many others.  But I ask you, how can you tell when a person is either an &#8220;anti-pedophile fanatic&#8221; (a term that I stand by when describing Perverted Justice) or a pedophile, until after that person has spent time editing the articles in question?</p>
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		<title>By: ordinary person</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23042</link>
		<dc:creator>ordinary person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedophilia is NOT an activity. It is a sexual attraction to minors. Pedophile can be a person who actually molest children, as well as it can be a person who never had any kind of sexual activity with a child and considers it harmful. It's the same as heterosexuality. A heterosexual is someone who is ATTRACTED to opposite sex, not someone who HAS sex with opposite sex. Someone could be celibate for the entire life for various reasons, but is still a heterosexual.
Just to avoid misunderstanding :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedophilia is NOT an activity. It is a sexual attraction to minors. Pedophile can be a person who actually molest children, as well as it can be a person who never had any kind of sexual activity with a child and considers it harmful. It&#8217;s the same as heterosexuality. A heterosexual is someone who is ATTRACTED to opposite sex, not someone who HAS sex with opposite sex. Someone could be celibate for the entire life for various reasons, but is still a heterosexual.<br />
Just to avoid misunderstanding :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Midnight</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23026</link>
		<dc:creator>Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither anti-pedophile "fanatics" as you call them nor pro pedophiles have NPOV on related articles. Therefore neither should be editing that particular article.

Pedophilia is an ILLEGAL activity in most of the world... and your other examples you put with it, aren't. So, what's your particular agenda?

People CAN hide behind anonymous IP addresses, and not register with Wiki, but this is all solved if Wiki locks the article. So Modemac, your entire argument is shot down that quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither anti-pedophile &#8220;fanatics&#8221; as you call them nor pro pedophiles have NPOV on related articles. Therefore neither should be editing that particular article.</p>
<p>Pedophilia is an ILLEGAL activity in most of the world&#8230; and your other examples you put with it, aren&#8217;t. So, what&#8217;s your particular agenda?</p>
<p>People CAN hide behind anonymous IP addresses, and not register with Wiki, but this is all solved if Wiki locks the article. So Modemac, your entire argument is shot down that quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Modemac</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-23009</link>
		<dc:creator>Modemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia believes everyone should have a voice, be it pedophiles, Holocaust deniers, racists, cult members, spammers, or what have you.  And this is as it should be -- remember, the idea there is to produce an encyclopedia that promotes NPOV.  Extremist entries (including those by pedophiles or anti-pedophile fanatics like Perverted Justice) are corrected by the many other contributors.  Those who outright refuse to compromise in the name of NPOV are blocked, which is what happened to Von Erck.  It's also happened to spammers, racists, sock puppets, political extremists, corporate stooges, and others.  Even pedophiles have rights, and besides, you really can't point at an anonymous name or IP address and say, "you are a pedophile, you are not allowed here."  As long as contributors work with Wikipedia's editors and contributors, they will be allowed -- and that includes pedophiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia believes everyone should have a voice, be it pedophiles, Holocaust deniers, racists, cult members, spammers, or what have you.  And this is as it should be &#8212; remember, the idea there is to produce an encyclopedia that promotes NPOV.  Extremist entries (including those by pedophiles or anti-pedophile fanatics like Perverted Justice) are corrected by the many other contributors.  Those who outright refuse to compromise in the name of NPOV are blocked, which is what happened to Von Erck.  It&#8217;s also happened to spammers, racists, sock puppets, political extremists, corporate stooges, and others.  Even pedophiles have rights, and besides, you really can&#8217;t point at an anonymous name or IP address and say, &#8220;you are a pedophile, you are not allowed here.&#8221;  As long as contributors work with Wikipedia&#8217;s editors and contributors, they will be allowed &#8212; and that includes pedophiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Midnight</title>
		<link>http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/21/web-fight-wikipedia-youtube-vs-perverted-justice/#comment-22994</link>
		<dc:creator>Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lost in all this is the simple fact that Wiki's policy of NPOV "Neutral Point Of View" has been bastardized completely by allowing either P-J people or those on the other side to edit the article.

Wiki staff needs to simply lock it up, and re-write the entire thing from a completly NPOV,  encyclopedia-style, and leave it locked up.

It's too bad Wiki seems to believe pedophiles and pedophile activists should have any voice whatsoever, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost in all this is the simple fact that Wiki&#8217;s policy of NPOV &#8220;Neutral Point Of View&#8221; has been bastardized completely by allowing either P-J people or those on the other side to edit the article.</p>
<p>Wiki staff needs to simply lock it up, and re-write the entire thing from a completly NPOV,  encyclopedia-style, and leave it locked up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad Wiki seems to believe pedophiles and pedophile activists should have any voice whatsoever, though.</p>
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