Comments on: Is The Net Good For Writers? http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/ Your source for technology culture, internet phenomena, politics, interviews and entertainment Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:48:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Words of the week - World Class Ebooks http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-48518 Words of the week - World Class Ebooks Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:45:51 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-48518 [...] Is the net good for writers? That is the question posed by Ten Zen Monkeys, and it would probably take ten or twenty of same to figure it out. Unfortunately the Ten etc piece [...] [...] Is the net good for writers? That is the question posed by Ten Zen Monkeys, and it would probably take ten or twenty of same to figure it out. Unfortunately the Ten etc piece [...]

]]> By: Steve Harold - Hypnosis Cds http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-44554 Steve Harold - Hypnosis Cds Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:11:36 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-44554 I think the net is good for quantity rather than quality. On the other hand many people who would not ordinarily have the proverbial pen to paper have been encouraged to write and from some interesting opinions and ideas surface. I think the net is good for quantity rather than quality. On the other hand many people who would not ordinarily have the proverbial pen to paper have been encouraged to write and from some interesting opinions and ideas surface.

]]> By: 16 Blog Posts That Improved, Inspired and Expanded My Writing (Or Hopefully Will Someday) | PureBlogging http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-38868 16 Blog Posts That Improved, Inspired and Expanded My Writing (Or Hopefully Will Someday) | PureBlogging Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:17:39 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-38868 [...] Is the Net Good for Writers? from 10 Zen Monkeys. Long article. Good read. Quite a bit of insight from a wide variety of writers, Web entrepreneurs, publishing professionals and overall geeks. [...] [...] Is the Net Good for Writers? from 10 Zen Monkeys. Long article. Good read. Quite a bit of insight from a wide variety of writers, Web entrepreneurs, publishing professionals and overall geeks. [...]

]]> By: The Publisher's Post | The Publishers Post http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29853 The Publisher's Post | The Publishers Post Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:52:08 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29853 [...] writing. Is the Net Good for Writers? Source: 10ZenMonkeys.com Until people realized that the bottleneck was publishing, writing was perhaps considered a special talent. Maybe everyone still believes that there is a [...] [...] writing. Is the Net Good for Writers? Source: 10ZenMonkeys.com Until people realized that the bottleneck was publishing, writing was perhaps considered a special talent. Maybe everyone still believes that there is a [...]

]]> By: Warren Ellis » Mark Amerika http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29737 Warren Ellis » Mark Amerika Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:39:31 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29737 [...] As prompted by RU Sirius in a large discussion about writing and the net: It helps to know how to write across all media platforms. Not only that, but to become various role-playing personas whose writerly performance plays out in various multi-media languages across these same platforms. The most successful writer-personas now and into the future ? at least those interested in “making a living” as you put it ? will be those who can take on varying flux personas via the act of writing. (And who isn’t into making a living… What’s the opposite? Conducting a death ritual for the consumer zombies lost in the greenwash imaginary?) [...] [...] As prompted by RU Sirius in a large discussion about writing and the net: It helps to know how to write across all media platforms. Not only that, but to become various role-playing personas whose writerly performance plays out in various multi-media languages across these same platforms. The most successful writer-personas now and into the future ? at least those interested in “making a living” as you put it ? will be those who can take on varying flux personas via the act of writing. (And who isn’t into making a living… What’s the opposite? Conducting a death ritual for the consumer zombies lost in the greenwash imaginary?) [...]

]]> By: uttoransen http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29504 uttoransen Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:08:43 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29504 I only use off line writers for writing articles. net is good for writers, but it all depends on the qualities of that writer. A writer has to make SEO friendly articles, that is kind of missing in good writers. So, to make the articles seo friendly we have to get some seo expert, who edit those articles, now the articles are seo friendly but the original quality of the articles are kind of gone! I only use off line writers for writing articles. net is good for writers, but it all depends on the qualities of that writer. A writer has to make SEO friendly articles, that is kind of missing in good writers. So, to make the articles seo friendly we have to get some seo expert, who edit those articles, now the articles are seo friendly but the original quality of the articles are kind of gone!

]]> By: More Readable » Blog Archive » Bouvard’s Aggregator Aggregates Too Effectively http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29295 More Readable » Blog Archive » Bouvard’s Aggregator Aggregates Too Effectively Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:55:19 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29295 [...] morning got linked across the blogosphere to an article on 10 Zen Monkeys entitled “Is The Net Good For Writers?“. I have to say that this is one of those things that everyone interested in writing, [...] [...] morning got linked across the blogosphere to an article on 10 Zen Monkeys entitled “Is The Net Good For Writers?“. I have to say that this is one of those things that everyone interested in writing, [...]

]]> By: Technologia « Minus the Spine http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29126 Technologia « Minus the Spine Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:57:55 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29126 [...] work less hard? Which brings to mind an interesting piece on 10 Zen Monkeys that my friend sent me: Is the Net Good For Writers? Well, is it? No Comments so far Leave a comment RSS feed for comments on this post. [...] [...] work less hard? Which brings to mind an interesting piece on 10 Zen Monkeys that my friend sent me: Is the Net Good For Writers? Well, is it? No Comments so far Leave a comment RSS feed for comments on this post. [...]

]]> By: Douglas Perret Starr http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29108 Douglas Perret Starr Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29108 The computer and the Web are but tools for writers. Writing demands rewriting. Those who do not rewrite are merely typists The computer and the Web are but tools for writers. Writing demands rewriting. Those who do not rewrite are merely typists

]]> By: Who else wants to be a technical communicator? « just write click http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29045 Who else wants to be a technical communicator? « just write click Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:17:55 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-29045 [...] are asking and answering this question. I found the article “Is the Net Good for Writers?” a though-provoking piece. Especially this quote from Clay Shirky pretending to write in [...] [...] are asking and answering this question. I found the article “Is the Net Good for Writers?” a though-provoking piece. Especially this quote from Clay Shirky pretending to write in [...]

]]> By: MW http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28943 MW Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:00:21 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28943 When you interview the people who are losing status and income, due to shifts in society that are now democratizing their previously elite profession -- it shouldn't be a big surprise that many of these people are 1) in denial about the fact that the change is ultimately good for society/other people, and 2) bitter about the fact that their own star is fading. It's just human nature: nobody likes to see themselves becoming irrelevant. Other professions you might interview about the evils of new-fangled technology: print journalists, film photographers, traditional media companies, 1980s video porn stars, phone switch operators, and buggy whip makers. And in the end -- the complaining doesn't really matter; it doesn't do squat to reverse the overall trend. "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on." When you interview the people who are losing status and income, due to shifts in society that are now democratizing their previously elite profession — it shouldn’t be a big surprise that many of these people are 1) in denial about the fact that the change is ultimately good for society/other people, and 2) bitter about the fact that their own star is fading. It’s just human nature: nobody likes to see themselves becoming irrelevant.

Other professions you might interview about the evils of new-fangled technology: print journalists, film photographers, traditional media companies, 1980s video porn stars, phone switch operators, and buggy whip makers.

And in the end — the complaining doesn’t really matter; it doesn’t do squat to reverse the overall trend. “The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.”

]]> By: Nico/Psyche http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28785 Nico/Psyche Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:56:32 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28785 <b>Rambuncle </b>: It's worth noting how many people noted the absence of female voices - it says a lot about the readership. Rambuncle : It’s worth noting how many people noted the absence of female voices - it says a lot about the readership.

]]> By: sarah http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28715 sarah Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:40:25 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28715 Apparently, the net is great for male tech writers. Way to survey the landscape! Apparently, the net is great for male tech writers. Way to survey the landscape!

]]> By: Henrikq Aeshna ( thief and poet ) http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28626 Henrikq Aeshna ( thief and poet ) Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:22:33 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28626 hallo, mosquitoes weell, i'm a poet and vandal interventor in brazil; to be more precise, i live in João Pessoa, the eastern point of all americas.... as soon as Goffman's book was released in brasil, we -- counterculturalists here , among university students fed up with academicism and freak musicians -- STOLEN all of his books that were available at the big bookstores and supermarkets! -- the whole stuff became kind a craze, cos we usually steal books from bookshops, as well as we incite others to do that ( we like expensive beverages too and other stuff..after the acts we party with our "presents" and drink and eat with beggars and poor carparkers, mostly those who has a expanding spirit)..well, within a period of 3 years we've given a "crack" of over 10.000 dollars!!!...but the point is, "counterculture through the ages" is our favorite among all!!! my blog (still in portuguese) is www.henrikqaeshna.blogspot.com and i'm about to publish a book on poetry and vandalism... it'ss more than proved the power internet can reach, especially for us writers who have the gene of infection as an affirmation of WILL, pulsing n exploding... hallo, mosquitoes

weell, i’m a poet and vandal interventor in brazil; to be more precise, i live in João Pessoa, the eastern point of all americas….

as soon as Goffman’s book was released in brasil, we — counterculturalists here , among university students fed up with academicism and freak musicians — STOLEN all of his books that were available at the big bookstores and supermarkets! — the whole stuff became kind a craze, cos we usually steal books from bookshops, as well as we incite others to do that ( we like expensive beverages too and other stuff..after the acts we party with our “presents” and drink and eat with beggars and poor carparkers, mostly those who has a expanding spirit)..well, within a period of 3 years we’ve given a “crack” of over 10.000 dollars!!!…but the point is, “counterculture through the ages” is our favorite among all!!!

my blog (still in portuguese) is http://www.henrikqaeshna.blogspot.com and i’m about to publish a book on poetry and vandalism…

it’ss more than proved the power internet can reach, especially for us writers who have the gene of infection as an affirmation of WILL, pulsing n exploding…

]]> By: paolo honorificas http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28608 paolo honorificas Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:52:19 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28608 Dear RU Sirius: I must congradulate you on pne of the best bad writ'in jobs I"uv ever came across. I specially like yer smarts regarding effective vs. affective. Course, yer style is somthin else un yer organizational skills deffenately reproachable... um...um...sirius yew iz un real writer jst like me um knew how good yer column is. Tank Yew sooooo much.... Dear RU Sirius: I must congradulate you on pne of the best bad writ’in jobs I”uv ever came across. I specially like yer smarts regarding effective vs. affective. Course, yer style is somthin else un yer organizational skills deffenately reproachable… um…um…sirius yew iz un real writer jst like me um knew how good yer column is. Tank Yew sooooo much….

]]> By: rob http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28602 rob Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:59:36 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28602 would like to see more research on this topic, from the trackback this article hit a major nerve. but to me, the commentators are mostly talking about blogs and straight journalism - whats more important are novels, short stories, poetry. why is literature shortchanged online? i don't know why there hasn't been a popular web magazine to rival the age of print magazines - the saturday evening post, colliers, esquire, atlantic - a web site that does it with short stories and good writing. dont say there isn't a market, we're sitting at our screens all day. and night. we read long tech articles. we read the new york times (online). we shop online. we chat on the boards for hours straight. we read bbc, guardian, all the uk papers. we arent all scifi geeks or hooked on dumbed down / raunch type material, a lot of us would like to read good meaningful stories too. i never have any to link to, but i would if there was a big site that did it. why not something just like the old saturday evening post with long stories? so many companies / people could do it. conde nast could do it, or a paper like the guardian uk, gawker media, rob malda (slashdot), tim oreilly, even matt drudge could get a site up. reminds me of a discussion with michael stutz who must be like a kerouac of the future, all his long novels filling up hard disks, unpublished. i remember (going back to the early 90's iirc) he was the trailblazer with open content, but as soon as it took off he just disappeared. went completely off the net. i've seen some of the writing he has done since and its truly awesome. someone will publish it. but online? he isn't even there. for fiction the internet didn't turn out to be the great utopia he and some of these other trailblazers first thought. would like to see more research on this topic, from the trackback this article hit a major nerve. but to me, the commentators are mostly talking about blogs and straight journalism - whats more important are novels, short stories, poetry. why is literature shortchanged online?

i don’t know why there hasn’t been a popular web magazine to rival the age of print magazines - the saturday evening post, colliers, esquire, atlantic - a web site that does it with short stories and good writing. dont say there isn’t a market, we’re sitting at our screens all day. and night. we read long tech articles. we read the new york times (online). we shop online. we chat on the boards for hours straight. we read bbc, guardian, all the uk papers. we arent all scifi geeks or hooked on dumbed down / raunch type material, a lot of us would like to read good meaningful stories too. i never have any to link to, but i would if there was a big site that did it. why not something just like the old saturday evening post with long stories? so many companies / people could do it. conde nast could do it, or a paper like the guardian uk, gawker media, rob malda (slashdot), tim oreilly, even matt drudge could get a site up.

reminds me of a discussion with michael stutz who must be like a kerouac of the future, all his long novels filling up hard disks, unpublished. i remember (going back to the early 90’s iirc) he was the trailblazer with open content, but as soon as it took off he just disappeared. went completely off the net. i’ve seen some of the writing he has done since and its truly awesome. someone will publish it. but online? he isn’t even there. for fiction the internet didn’t turn out to be the great utopia he and some of these other trailblazers first thought.

]]> By: Lee http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28232 Lee Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:58:45 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28232 The net has given me a platform for my fiction, and though it's not made me into a household name, it's given me a freedom that conventional publishing can't offer. But I'm not particularly interested in the numbers game - whether sales numbers or hit numbers. The net has given me a platform for my fiction, and though it’s not made me into a household name, it’s given me a freedom that conventional publishing can’t offer. But I’m not particularly interested in the numbers game - whether sales numbers or hit numbers.

]]> By: Burnin’ » Writers Write http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28195 Burnin’ » Writers Write Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:24:39 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28195 [...] 10 Zen Monkeys has a compelling piece on the interwebs and whether advances in communications technology is any good for writers. RU Sirius asks 10 writers to consider the question. Here are some bits of wisdom from one of the 10 writers, Mark Drey. [...] [...] 10 Zen Monkeys has a compelling piece on the interwebs and whether advances in communications technology is any good for writers. RU Sirius asks 10 writers to consider the question. Here are some bits of wisdom from one of the 10 writers, Mark Drey. [...]

]]> By: lindsay http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28194 lindsay Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:09:23 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28194 I really wanted to read this, but since there's no printer-friendly version, I won't. Kind of ironic, huh? I really wanted to read this, but since there’s no printer-friendly version, I won’t. Kind of ironic, huh?

]]> By: James Free http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28163 James Free Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:04:51 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/#comment-28163 It is still a medium in its infancy. There are complaints by some "old timers" that the pay is getting thin with all of the incompetent writers out there muddying the water. It is unfortunate that they don't seem to be rising to the occasion by utilizing the plethora of new tools, literary formats, rhetorical devices, new vistas of research depth, and insight into cognitive and perceptual frontiers newly available. It is still a medium in its infancy. There are complaints by some “old timers” that the pay is getting thin with all of the incompetent writers out there muddying the water.
It is unfortunate that they don’t seem to be rising to the occasion by utilizing the plethora of new tools, literary formats, rhetorical devices, new vistas of research depth, and insight into cognitive and perceptual frontiers newly available.

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