Comments on: Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/ Your source for technology culture, internet phenomena, politics, interviews and entertainment Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:01:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: K-Dog http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29852 K-Dog Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:35:54 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29852 The period for public comments on this proposal was extended to 21 November, but I'll bet those who file negative comments on the TSA site get placed on the no-fly list. Lose-lose. The period for public comments on this proposal was extended to 21 November, but I’ll bet those who file negative comments on the TSA site get placed on the no-fly list. Lose-lose.

]]> By: Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys « An American in Dublin http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29692 Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys « An American in Dublin Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:05:47 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29692 [...] Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys [...] [...] Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys Prior Permission From Government to be Required for Each Flight - 10 Zen Monkeys [...]

]]> By: Susan Smith http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29155 Susan Smith Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:25:44 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29155 I have no issue with this new policy. I hear every day about people in other cities living in fear from terrorists attacks, look what happened on our own soil in NYC. They need to protect our boarders better but if they want to screen people in the country then I have no issue, there are so many illegals already here....maybe they will catch more this way. Some seem to think that if we just let the terrorist be , they will let us be. They believe you are the enemy, they would put a gun to your head without a moments guilt. Maybe I am wrong and they are not living amoung us taking flying lessons, learning how to behave by watching American TV and planning on killing thousands of us....but if they are I want them gone. At least this crew is attempting to make a plan. If their rules do not suit you, instead of running your mouths about your freedom rights, why not offer intellegent suggestions? I have no issue with this new policy. I hear every day about people in other cities living in fear from terrorists attacks, look what happened on our own soil in NYC.

They need to protect our boarders better but if they want to screen people in the country then I have no issue, there are so many illegals already here….maybe they will catch more this way.
Some seem to think that if we just let the terrorist be , they will let us be. They believe you are the enemy, they would put a gun to your head without a moments guilt.
Maybe I am wrong and they are not living amoung us taking flying lessons, learning how to behave by watching American TV and planning on killing thousands of us….but if they are I want them gone. At least this crew is attempting to make a plan. If their rules do not suit you, instead of running your mouths about your freedom rights, why not offer intellegent suggestions?

]]> By: Frank Johnson http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29139 Frank Johnson Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:55:58 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29139 Layli Miller-Muro is trying her best to prevent word of her un-Constitutional IMBRA law from getting out to the mainstream public. (Have you ever heard of it? It has been law for over a year now. It makes this TSA law look like The Bill Of Rights.) Even most politicians are unaware they signed it as it was sneaked in at the last minute to the renewal of another law just as Congress was ready to leave for Christmas vacation. IMBRA assumes you are guilty and you have to prove yourself innocent just to be able to say hi to a foreign woman via an online International Friendship Service. Along with having to provide the service your complete criminal background History including all arrests even those that were dropped, every place you have lived since the age of 18, etc. etc. and have your name run through the National and local Sex Registry, you will still have to wait for the Friendship Service to get written permission from the foreign woman (after she has reviewed your personal History) BEFORE you will be allowed to email her and introduce yourself! Welcome to Femi-Nazi America! Ms. Miller-Muro's Iranian Religious organization, the Tahirih Justice Center in Fairfax, VA, will be getting over another $1,000,000.00 of your tax dollars to enforce this law and create more just like it. They already got a lot of your tax money the past 10 years. Bet you didn't know that either, did you? Google IMBRA for one of the most un-Constitutional, anti-American and anti-male misandrist Femi-Nazi laws you could possibly imagine. MUCH worse than this TSA law or any of Bush's other Police State attempts at curtailing our freedoms, right to privacy or freedom of choice. IMBRA - check it out and be REALLY disgusted! IMBRA Layli Miller-Muro is trying her best to prevent word of her un-Constitutional IMBRA law from getting out to the mainstream public. (Have you ever heard of it? It has been law for over a year now. It makes this TSA law look like The Bill Of Rights.) Even most politicians are unaware they signed it as it was sneaked in at the last minute to the renewal of another law just as Congress was ready to leave for Christmas vacation. IMBRA assumes you are guilty and you have to prove yourself innocent just to be able to say hi to a foreign woman via an online International Friendship Service. Along with having to provide the service your complete criminal background History including all arrests even those that were dropped, every place you have lived since the age of 18, etc. etc. and have your name run through the National and local Sex Registry, you will still have to wait for the Friendship Service to get written permission from the foreign woman (after she has reviewed your personal History) BEFORE you will be allowed to email her and introduce yourself! Welcome to Femi-Nazi America! Ms. Miller-Muro’s Iranian Religious organization, the Tahirih Justice Center in Fairfax, VA, will be getting over another $1,000,000.00 of your tax dollars to enforce this law and create more just like it. They already got a lot of your tax money the past 10 years. Bet you didn’t know that either, did you? Google IMBRA for one of the most un-Constitutional, anti-American and anti-male misandrist Femi-Nazi laws you could possibly imagine. MUCH worse than this TSA law or any of Bush’s other Police State attempts at curtailing our freedoms, right to privacy or freedom of choice. IMBRA - check it out and be REALLY disgusted! IMBRA

]]> By: Layli Miller-Muro of the Tahirih Justice Center http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29136 Layli Miller-Muro of the Tahirih Justice Center Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:04:37 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29136 Why are you all getting so riled up? Is the Constitution and Bill of Rights really that important? Besides this law will only apply to men because women are always victims and never terrorists so they will be excempt. One exception will be foreign women who may try to come into the U.S. via Canada or travel within the USA in order to meet you male premeditated torturers and serial abusers who managed to contact them illegally. They will be immediately deported back to their home country in order to protect them from these predators or, as I like to call them, "enemy combatants" and "terrorists." This is why my taxpayer funded feminist group had to sneak in the IMBRA law which wouldn't pass on its own in 2004 as it was so un-Constitutional and unAmerican. It makes it illegal for you men to say hi to foreign women without a criminal background check. Don't believe me? Think it couldn't happen in America? Google it for yourself for a preview of other anti-male laws I have planned for you men who don't want to marry feminists. Why are you all getting so riled up? Is the Constitution and Bill of Rights really that important? Besides this law will only apply to men because women are always victims and never terrorists so they will be excempt. One exception will be foreign women who may try to come into the U.S. via Canada or travel within the USA in order to meet you male premeditated torturers and serial abusers who managed to contact them illegally. They will be immediately deported back to their home country in order to protect them from these predators or, as I like to call them, “enemy combatants” and “terrorists.” This is why my taxpayer funded feminist group had to sneak in the IMBRA law which wouldn’t pass on its own in 2004 as it was so un-Constitutional and unAmerican. It makes it illegal for you men to say hi to foreign women without a criminal background check. Don’t believe me? Think it couldn’t happen in America? Google it for yourself for a preview of other anti-male laws I have planned for you men who don’t want to marry feminists.

]]> By: Oh Great! Now What? » Blog Archive » The Decider's America: Back in the USSR? http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29128 Oh Great! Now What? » Blog Archive » The Decider's America: Back in the USSR? Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:39:33 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29128 [...] post on The Future of Air Travel and was stunned to drill through the references on site called 12 Zen Monkeys about the Federal Government [through the Department of Homeland Security] trying to pass [...] [...] post on The Future of Air Travel and was stunned to drill through the references on site called 12 Zen Monkeys about the Federal Government [through the Department of Homeland Security] trying to pass [...]

]]> By: Mrs. Jefferson http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29127 Mrs. Jefferson Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29127 Randy where have you been? All kinds of people have died, reputations ruin, put in prison for no reason without a trial, lost their jobs when not of the right party, lost their homes, their right of free speech...prevented from protesting, jailed, lazsered, etc. Randy it happens but apparently you were never the victim or knew someone who was (so far). Randy where have you been? All kinds of people have died, reputations ruin, put in prison for no reason without a trial, lost their jobs when not of the right party, lost their homes, their right of free speech…prevented from protesting, jailed, lazsered, etc.

Randy it happens but apparently you were never the victim or knew someone who was (so far).

]]> By: Bill St. Clair http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29122 Bill St. Clair Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:46:20 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29122 Secure Flight will be invisible to most travelers. The airlines submit passenger information to TSA, and they send back whether the passenger is on the No-Fly list or is a "Selectee" for more extensive search. It will actually speed up the process for people who are NOT on the lists. Yes, you need to be certified by the Taking Scissors Away folks, but no, you are not part of the process. Not that I like this system. I don't. I already fly only when absolutely necessary for business, or to attend a funeral. But Joe American won't even notice it's there. The public comment period has been extended to November 21: http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/ . Not that the nazis will care about anything you say, but I recommend calling them nazis to their face. There's a link on that page to the text of the proposed rule. It's a PDF with images of the printed pages, so you can't easily post or search the text. Sheesh. Secure Flight will be invisible to most travelers. The airlines submit passenger information to TSA, and they send back whether the passenger is on the No-Fly list or is a “Selectee” for more extensive search. It will actually speed up the process for people who are NOT on the lists. Yes, you need to be certified by the Taking Scissors Away folks, but no, you are not part of the process.

Not that I like this system. I don’t. I already fly only when absolutely necessary for business, or to attend a funeral. But Joe American won’t even notice it’s there.

The public comment period has been extended to November 21: http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/ . Not that the nazis will care about anything you say, but I recommend calling them nazis to their face.

There’s a link on that page to the text of the proposed rule. It’s a PDF with images of the printed pages, so you can’t easily post or search the text. Sheesh.

]]> By: randy http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29116 randy Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:45:49 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29116 Oh, this kind of thing will never happen here. All of you people are always crying about something the Bush Administration is going to do....and it never happens. Oh, this kind of thing will never happen here. All of you people are always crying about something the Bush Administration is going to do….and it never happens.

]]> By: Phranqlin http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29107 Phranqlin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:07:17 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29107 At this point, I think these sorts of restrictions are unlikely for the reasons "My2 cents" proposes. Not to mention that they'd be tied up in court for years and years if they ever saw the light of day. However, if America suffers another terrorist attack before Bush leaves office, all bets are off. The Bushistas will use it as an excuse to shred the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and implement the kind of domestic crackdown that is the stuff of Cheney's wet dreams. Having to present one's identity papers to the Obersturmführer at the airport would be the least of our worries. At this point, I think these sorts of restrictions are unlikely for the reasons “My2 cents” proposes. Not to mention that they’d be tied up in court for years and years if they ever saw the light of day.

However, if America suffers another terrorist attack before Bush leaves office, all bets are off. The Bushistas will use it as an excuse to shred the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and implement the kind of domestic crackdown that is the stuff of Cheney’s wet dreams. Having to present one’s identity papers to the Obersturmführer at the airport would be the least of our worries.

]]> By: Susan http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29105 Susan Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:06:28 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29105 What's next, internal passports? "Back in the U.S.S.R., you don't know how lucky you are, back in the U.S.S., back in the U.S.S.R." Thanks, John Lennon. As usual, you were ahead of the curve. What’s next, internal passports? “Back in the U.S.S.R., you don’t know how lucky you are, back in the U.S.S., back in the U.S.S.R.”

Thanks, John Lennon. As usual, you were ahead of the curve.

]]> By: Bob http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29101 Bob Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:24 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29101 "I doubt this will happen because..." The US Government is already pressuring the Canadian Government to provide DHS with the names of all airline passengers boarding flights originating in Canada that will use US airspace in reaching their destination even if that destination is not US territory. Amerika Uber Alles! Sieg Heil! “I doubt this will happen because…” The US Government is already pressuring the Canadian Government to provide DHS with the names of all airline passengers boarding flights originating in Canada that will use US airspace in reaching their destination even if that destination is not US territory. Amerika Uber Alles! Sieg Heil!

]]> By: Dave http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29098 Dave Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:34:42 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29098 On the bright side, think of all the extra gas people will burn driving places! The petroleum industry has got to adore this new legislation. Even small planes will burn more fuel since we're removing the economy of scale that big airliners offer. And the population will have a dent put in it with the extra traffic fatalities we'll get from people driving cross-country into the wee hours trying to get places they previously would have flown to. I mean, it took a little over three weeks to kill as many people as 9/11 did in motor vehicles, so just think how many more we can kill off with lonely stretches of interstate packed with potential traffic victims, going broke at record speeds paying for fuel. On the bright side, think of all the extra gas people will burn driving places! The petroleum industry has got to adore this new legislation. Even small planes will burn more fuel since we’re removing the economy of scale that big airliners offer.

And the population will have a dent put in it with the extra traffic fatalities we’ll get from people driving cross-country into the wee hours trying to get places they previously would have flown to. I mean, it took a little over three weeks to kill as many people as 9/11 did in motor vehicles, so just think how many more we can kill off with lonely stretches of interstate packed with potential traffic victims, going broke at record speeds paying for fuel.

]]> By: links for 2007-10-25 | Musings of a Chicagoan http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29097 links for 2007-10-25 | Musings of a Chicagoan Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:26:15 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29097 [...] “All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials and official... We’re turning into the “Anda’s Game” government Doctorow envisions in his “Overclocked” short story collection … *sigh* (tags: horrifying whaddafuck) [...] [...] “All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials and official… We’re turning into the “Anda’s Game” government Doctorow envisions in his “Overclocked” short story collection … *sigh* (tags: horrifying whaddafuck) [...]

]]> By: Jerry http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29092 Jerry Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:08:10 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29092 If this is somehow passed, I will pretty much conceed that all is lost, that the United States that I grew up in and that my father served in WWII is no longer. If this is somehow passed, I will pretty much conceed that all is lost, that the United States that I grew up in and that my father served in WWII is no longer.

]]> By: Elianza http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29090 Elianza Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:42:10 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29090 So... They're not only censoring science reports to Congress... Now they want to restrict our travel, not only internationally, but domestically... Welcome to the Fourth Reich, people! And Nancy Pelosi says she hasn't enough evidence to inpeach? Sheesh! I've been protesting this Nazi administration ever since GWB and his pals rigged the election in 2000! One thing that has been and is being proved by this administration is the need to get rid of the Electoral College. We wouldn't be having these problems if Al Gore had taken office in 2005 after having won the popular vote in 2004! As for Big Buisness being upset by this latest attempt at a totalitarian state: What do you want to bet that there won't be V.I.P. passes for all of GWB's buddies? The airlines will suffer, yes. But how much do you want to bet that they'll all be combined into one national airline like Aeroflot? Hey guys! It's 1984 in our Brave New World! So… They’re not only censoring science reports to Congress… Now they want to restrict our travel, not only internationally, but domestically… Welcome to the Fourth Reich, people! And Nancy Pelosi says she hasn’t enough evidence to inpeach? Sheesh! I’ve been protesting this Nazi administration ever since GWB and his pals rigged the election in 2000!

One thing that has been and is being proved by this administration is the need to get rid of the Electoral College. We wouldn’t be having these problems if Al Gore had taken office in 2005 after having won the popular vote in 2004!

As for Big Buisness being upset by this latest attempt at a totalitarian state: What do you want to bet that there won’t be V.I.P. passes for all of GWB’s buddies? The airlines will suffer, yes. But how much do you want to bet that they’ll all be combined into one national airline like Aeroflot?

Hey guys! It’s 1984 in our Brave New World!

]]> By: dick http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29088 dick Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:13:33 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29088 I doubt that this will happen because it will wreck the airline business, including Southwest, a good friend of W. Post 9-11 flying sucks anyway--I keep it to a minimum. Dick I doubt that this will happen because it will wreck the airline business, including Southwest, a good friend of W. Post 9-11 flying sucks anyway–I keep it to a minimum.

Dick

]]> By: Air Travel - Again « The Van Der Galiën Gazette http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29087 Air Travel - Again « The Van Der Galiën Gazette Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:46:56 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29087 [...] structure built around stepping on a flight is to undergo some drastic changes according to this blog (h/t Sullivan): All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials [...] [...] structure built around stepping on a flight is to undergo some drastic changes according to this blog (h/t Sullivan): All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials [...]

]]> By: unusuallystupidpoliticians.com » Blog Archive » LAND OF THE FREE? SURE, JUST DON’T LEAVE HOME. http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29086 unusuallystupidpoliticians.com » Blog Archive » LAND OF THE FREE? SURE, JUST DON’T LEAVE HOME. Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:01:46 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29086 [...] clearance before every flight, both within the United States as well as internationally. Click here to read [...] [...] clearance before every flight, both within the United States as well as internationally. Click here to read [...]

]]> By: Crock.com » Blog Archive » Fly the Friendly Skies: “Papers Please” http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29085 Crock.com » Blog Archive » Fly the Friendly Skies: “Papers Please” Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:38:37 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/#comment-29085 [...] 10zenmonkeys.com | Submitted by: anonymous [...] [...] 10zenmonkeys.com | Submitted by: anonymous [...]

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