Comments on: The Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/ Your daily source for tech culture, internet phenomena, politics, interviews and entertainment Mon, 12 May 2008 09:10:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: illlich http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-43101 illlich Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:24 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-43101 I like that opening quote. I think the line between "conservative" and "neo-con" is blurred for most people, including conservatives themselves -- Rush Limbaugh does not refer to himself as "neo-con" but as a "conservative", despite the fact that he agrees with neo-cons on every issue, thus the intended meaning of the opening quote: people who refer to themselves as conservatives, despite the fact that they have little in common with conservatives of the past. Conservatism"today is a "big tent" as the GOP likes to say. To his credit, Buckley remained his own man, whether it angered anyone on the left or right, and (ignoring his admittedly shameful incident with Vidal) he was far more polite than almost any of the popular conservative pundits today. That is probably all I will miss of Buckley-- honest debate instead of loudmouth name-calling. (I cannot for the life of me understand his disdain for the Beatles and worship of Elvis. I guess John and Paul's singing voices where hardly as smooth as Elvis's, but they more than made up for it in timeless songwriting.) I like that opening quote.

I think the line between “conservative” and “neo-con” is blurred for most people, including conservatives themselves — Rush Limbaugh does not refer to himself as “neo-con” but as a “conservative”, despite the fact that he agrees with neo-cons on every issue, thus the intended meaning of the opening quote: people who refer to themselves as conservatives, despite the fact that they have little in common with conservatives of the past. Conservatism”today is a “big tent” as the GOP likes to say.

To his credit, Buckley remained his own man, whether it angered anyone on the left or right, and (ignoring his admittedly shameful incident with Vidal) he was far more polite than almost any of the popular conservative pundits today. That is probably all I will miss of Buckley– honest debate instead of loudmouth name-calling.

(I cannot for the life of me understand his disdain for the Beatles and worship of Elvis. I guess John and Paul’s singing voices where hardly as smooth as Elvis’s, but they more than made up for it in timeless songwriting.)

]]> By: William F. Buckley is awesome. « 21st Century Digital Boy http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-42240 William F. Buckley is awesome. « 21st Century Digital Boy Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:37:58 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-42240 [...] post info By 21cdb Categories: Politics Tags: conservatives, Politics It turns out, William F. Buckley would probably have been fun to party with: [...] [...] post info By 21cdb Categories: Politics Tags: conservatives, Politics It turns out, William F. Buckley would probably have been fun to party with: [...]

]]> By: aron pieman kay http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-42030 aron pieman kay Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:18:40 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-42030 hey b ill: how did it feel when i tossed the pie at your mug back in 1976? i hope you are getting smooshed w/pies on the other side due to your rightist attitude hey b ill:

how did it feel when i tossed the pie at your mug back in 1976? i hope you are getting smooshed w/pies on the other side due to your rightist attitude

]]> By: Slim Gaillard http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41672 Slim Gaillard Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:20:43 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41672 Small correction: the song Kerouac was singing was "Flat Foot Floogie", though perhaps he actually did say "Floozy", as legend has it was the original word in the title. Small correction: the song Kerouac was singing was “Flat Foot Floogie”, though perhaps he actually did say “Floozy”, as legend has it was the original word in the title.

]]> By: meatpixel http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41634 meatpixel Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:03:00 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41634 [...] Collected Controversies of WF Buckley [...] [...] Collected Controversies of WF Buckley [...]

]]> By: Peter’s Blog » Blog Archive » Buckley http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41627 Peter’s Blog » Blog Archive » Buckley Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:34:22 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41627 [...] The Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley [...] [...] The Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley [...]

]]> By: Karl Steel http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41487 Karl Steel Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:01:38 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41487 Sorry, you forgot something. What about this National Review editorial from August 24, 1957, “Why the South Must Prevail”: " The central question that emerges . . . is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists" I'd say that controversial. Sorry, you forgot something. What about this National Review editorial from August 24, 1957, “Why the South Must Prevail”:

” The central question that emerges . . . is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists”

I’d say that controversial.

]]> By: PenguinSix http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41475 PenguinSix Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:04:05 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41475 I've been told that they didn't actually sail out to international waters (was a bit of fiction). I was also told they felt no effects, but did eat an entire loaf of bread that evening. fwiw... I’ve been told that they didn’t actually sail out to international waters (was a bit of fiction). I was also told they felt no effects, but did eat an entire loaf of bread that evening.

fwiw…

]]> By: StrategyUnit http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41471 StrategyUnit Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:55:49 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41471 Lou, I love the write-up but neo-conservatives (mentioned in the intro) have nothing to do with conservatives. "Neocons" are basically American liberals, who have bought into the idea of "American Exceptionalism" and the pursuit of exporting American-styled liberal democracy by all means (from diplomatic to military). For example, an extreme conservative would do a Pat Buchanan and cease all US military operations outside its border and stop any sort of aide (from missiles for Israel to food aide for refugees in Africa). On the other hand, an extreme neo-conservative could be said to invade a country that doesn't have enough liberal free-market as it would like. Exaggerations, of course, but I think they illustrate my point. Lou, I love the write-up but neo-conservatives (mentioned in the intro) have nothing to do with conservatives. “Neocons” are basically American liberals, who have bought into the idea of “American Exceptionalism” and the pursuit of exporting American-styled liberal democracy by all means (from diplomatic to military).

For example, an extreme conservative would do a Pat Buchanan and cease all US military operations outside its border and stop any sort of aide (from missiles for Israel to food aide for refugees in Africa). On the other hand, an extreme neo-conservative could be said to invade a country that doesn’t have enough liberal free-market as it would like. Exaggerations, of course, but I think they illustrate my point.

]]> By: The International House of Bacon » Blog Archive » Monday Morning Links http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41134 The International House of Bacon » Blog Archive » Monday Morning Links Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:49:02 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-41134 [...] * A fun little memoriam: The Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley. [...] [...] * A fun little memoriam: The Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley. [...]

]]> By: dmac http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-40935 dmac Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:17:31 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-40935 I dont' really think "Buckley's position was unexpected" on marijuana. He had written about drug legalization many times before, including in a 1996 National Review cover story. http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html I dont’ really think “Buckley’s position was unexpected” on marijuana. He had written about drug legalization many times before, including in a 1996 National Review cover story.

http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html

]]> By: mike soron . com — “Proto-Nazi” William F. Buckley Jr. Dead http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-40930 mike soron . com — “Proto-Nazi” William F. Buckley Jr. Dead Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:15:13 +0000 http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/the-collected-controversies-of-william-f-buckley/#comment-40930 [...] writing about his life, Lou Cabron begins his fantastic memoriam of the “Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley” with a quoted blog comment: “Part of me thinks he actually died a long time ago, like maybe [...] [...] writing about his life, Lou Cabron begins his fantastic memoriam of the “Collected Controversies of William F. Buckley” with a quoted blog comment: “Part of me thinks he actually died a long time ago, like maybe [...]

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