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		<title>Transhumanist Salvation or Judgment Day?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when humans can really merge with robots, and there's real nanotechnology? R.U. Sirius confronts the ultimate question: will technology save humankind &#8212; or destroy it?
<strong>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</strong><br/>]]></description>
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<strong>We're starting to brush up against</strong> real robots, real nanotech, and maybe even the first real artificial intelligence. But will emerging technologies destroy humankind &mdash; or will humankind be saved by an emerging transhumanism?
<br/><br/>
And which answer is more liberating?
<br/><br/>
If anybody knows, it's R.U. Sirius. The former editor in chief at <em>Mondo 2000</em> (and a Timothy Leary expert) has teamed up with "Better Humans LLC." They're producing <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/digitaledition/2009-summer/">a new transhumanist magazine</A> called <em>h+</em>. (And R.U. is also one of the head monkeys at <em>10 Zen Monkeys</em>.) But can he answer this ultimate question?  <em>
Terminator Salvation</em> played with questions about where technology ends and humanity begins. 
<br/><br/>
But what will we do when we're confronting the same questions in 
real life?

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<strong>10 Zen Monkeys:</strong>  Isn't this whole idea of real transhumanism kind of scary?
<br/><br/> 
<strong>RU SIRIUS:  </strong>Everything's scary.  Human beings weren't born to be wild so much as we were born to be scared, starting on a savanna in Africa as hunter-gatherers watching out for lions and tigers and bears (oh my...  Okay, maybe just lions), subjected to the random cruelties of a Darwinian planet.  I would say that the transhumanist project is probably an attempt to use human ingenuity to make living in this situation as not scary as possible, and in some theories, to actually change the situation, to create a post-Darwinian era.  <br/><br/>
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<div class="breakhead">See Also</div>
<div class="breakcontent">
&raquo; <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/digitaledition/2009-summer/">Read <em>h+</em> magazine online</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://cp.revolio.com/issue/393">Read the first issue</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/magazine/2009/spring-2009">"Is the Future Cancelled?"</A><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/magazine/2009/spring-2009">Spring 2009 Edition</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com">HPlus Magazine's main site</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog">R.U. Sirius's editor's blog</A><br/>

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Of course, that &mdash; in itself &mdash; is scary.  Our favorite narratives &mdash; our favorite movies and stories and comics tend to involve humans being altered by our own technologies to dramatically bad ends.  Most of those stories are silly in the particular, but the broader fear of unintended consequences or the use of advanced technologies by intentionally destructive people isn't silly.  
<br/><br/>
For instance, we explored the very rapid development of robotic technologies for warfare during the web site's <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/ai/poll-terminator-scenario-possible">Terminator Week.</A> That's viscerally scary. Logically it can also mean less civilian casualties, less harm to soldiers, and so on. And on the other hand, it can also mean less hesitation to use violence against others, or a possibly objectionable system of total control in which revolution is permanently rendered impossible.  And on the other hand... I can do the "on the one hand and on the other hand" until the Singularity or at least until the Mayan apocalypse of 2012.
<br/><br/>
But seriously, what really scares the crap out of me is that we might <em>not</em> make radical technological problem-solving breakthroughs &mdash; that we might stop, or that the technologies might fall short of their promises.  What scares me is the idea of a 6 billion-strong species finding itself with diminishing hopes, resource scarcities, insoluble deadly pandemics, and global depression based on the delusions of abstract capital flow resulting in increases in violence and suffering and territoriality and xenophobia.
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> But how does transhumanism resolve these problems?  How does a bunch of rich people living longer solve any of this?
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  Let's take this one at a time.  The technological paradigm that has grown out of transhumanist or radical technological progressive circles that I'm most fond of is NBIC. Nano-Bio-Info-Cogno.   The promise of nanotechnology &mdash; which has become much more tangible just in the last few months (thanks to <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/nano/how-close-are-we-real-nanotechnol
ogy">developments we recently covered on our site</A>) &mdash; is basic control over the structure of matter.  This should eventually solve most of our scarcity problems, with the possible exception of physical space. (And there are ways we might deal with that, but I'm trying to keep it short.) 
<br/><br/>
Nanotechnology, of course, has enormous potentials in terms of health as does biotechnology. People can find these details just about anywhere so I won't go into it. Anyway, sickness is perhaps our greatest source of misery and our greatest resource sink...  particularly if you contrast sickness not just with the absence of disease but with the possibilities of maintaining a high level of vitality. 
<br/><br/>
Then... information technology allows us to organize the data for distributed problem solving and &mdash; to a great degree &mdash; democratizes it.  (More eyes and more brains on the problem, working with and through more intelligent machines.)  IT is at the heart of all the breakthroughs and potential breakthroughs in nano and bio &mdash; and all this is leaving aside the further out projections of hyper-intelligent AIs.  
<br/><br/>
You know, getting back to what's scary, I agree with Vernor Vinge that <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/ai/poll-terminator-scenario-possible">the greatest existential threat is still nuclear warfare</A>.  But next in line is the possibility of a major plague...  a rapidly spreading pandemic.  And already we can see that the tools for dealing with that come down to intelligent systems and biotech.  There's biotech medical solutions using intelligent systems married to global mapping and communications and organized distribution.  Human behavior has a role too, of course... but not as much as romantics might wish.   
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Which perhaps brings us to cogno &mdash;  getting control and better use out of the brain for greater intelligence, greater happiness, less misery... hell, maybe even cheaper thrills! Why not?   A lot of our problems are self-created...  or they're created by particularly unstable or irrational people.  As a veteran of the psychedelic culture, the potentials and problems of cognition are a particular area of fascination for me &mdash; and also as a nonconformist who is suspicious of the tendency of society to be hostile towards what we might call creative madness.  So I do have some ambiguities, but it's just a huge area of intrigue as far as I'm concerned. 
<br/><br/>
Now, all of this is just the prosaic stuff, without imagining Singularities, or say hyperintelligent humans who aren't needy...  happily living on converted urine and nutrient pills while entertaining one and other in ever-complexifying virtual spaces.  Lots of energy savings there, Bubb. 
<br/><br/>

<strong>10Z:</strong> President Obama is reconstituting his bio-ethics panel. Just how high are the stakes, in the here and now, regarding U.S. political policy governing future research?
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  You know, I think the bioconservatives who dominated Bush's bio-ethics panel and opposed stem cell research were just pissing in the wind...  but that stuff can hit you in the face.   Really though, I think that the discourse in opposition to embryonic stem cells will some day be seen as every bit as absurd as Monty Python's "every sperm is sacred."  
<br/><br/>
More broadly, I don't think the stakes are very high because I don't think you can get the federal government today to be terribly functional... and I'm not a knee-jerk anti-government guy at the level of economics or investment in research.  I just think there's a certain all-American "can't do" thing going on there and there's no effective strategy for changing it.
<br/><br/>
Sometimes I think that the people who really control America &mdash; the corporate oligarchs and finance kleptocrats, the national security apparatus and so forth &mdash; realize that the Titanic has already hit the iceberg. And laughing up their sleeves they said, "Quick! Put that charismatic black guy behind the wheel!"
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> I'm surprised to hear that you're not a knee-jerk anti-government sort of guy.  I read that you were an anarchist.
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong> I've read that too.  I have an anarchistic streak, but I can't even begin to believe in it.  I do think that being an anarchist is an excellent choice though, because it's never going to be tried by any large group on a highly populated planet with advanced technology. So you never have to witness or experience the consequences of your belief system being enacted.  It will remain forever romantic.
<br/><br/>
On the whole, though...  I should try to be diplomatic.  Let's just say that anarchists and pure libertarians are the most anti-authoritarian, and I like to be anti-authoritarian. It would be more convenient and more consistent to believe, but I don't think ideologies work in the real world.
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> Let's get back to those ambiguities you mentioned.  That seems like a rare trait in the community represented by <em>h+</em> magazine.
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong> Hardly. But I'm probably more richly ambiguous than most other human beings.  My only ideology is uncertainty.  Although you'll see it if you explore transhumanist-oriented discussion groups and blogs like Michael Anissimov's <a href="http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/">Accelerating Future</A> or the writings of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974347221?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0974347221">Nick Bostrom</A> ad infinitum. They're rife with complexity and argumentation, and concern about existential threats, inequalities in the distribution of positive results from scientific achievement, and on and on.  The reality is there's a rich and varied discourse within the techno-progressive movement just as there is between the progressives and the bio-conservatives. 
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> It's hard to see where longevity and immortality fits into your vision of social responsibility.
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  First of all, I emphasized problem solving to respond to your question about fear.  And in essence my answer was I'm more afraid of standing still or going backwards than I am of moving forward.  But man... and woman... cannot live by social responsibility alone.  (We don't go around now asking people to die so we can spare resources or whatever.)
<br/><br/>
And I think that our humor columnist Joe Quirk had <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/humor/meaning-life-lies-its-suckiness">the best response</A> to people who are against hyper-longevity...  holy crap! These people want me to die!  
<br/><br/>
Can we allow people to be the owners and operators of their own experiences and decide for themselves how to answer the Shakespearian question &mdash; to be or not to be?  I think it's doable.  There's a very substantive <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/distribution-post-humanity">discussion from Ramez Naam</A> in our first issue about why hyper-longevity should not create big resource problems. It has to do with demographics and the tendencies of educated, comfortable people to make less kids, and a fairly high percentage of inevitable deaths even if we cure aging and most illnesses.  
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> But won't this exacerbate already extreme class distinctions?  Won't we have a wealthy race of immortals and then everybody else?
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  That's plausible, but very unlikely.  And it always surprises me that that's the first thing you usually hear, since a great portion of the human species already has access to universal health care.  Even left to the market, the investment that's being made in this should eventually lead to a need to sell to a large consumer market.  In our first issue, we have <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/economy/science-fiction-gets-funding">a chart that shows billionaires</A> who are investing in revolutionary science projects... and a few of them are investing in longevity.  Well, they're going to want to take their product to market and get a big consumer share.  John Sperling isn't going to be sitting in some mountain retreat rubbing his hands together and saying, "Foolish mortals, I shall use this only for myself and my beautiful blonde cyborg bride Britney!"  That's the movie version, not the reality.  
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The reality is actually sort of comical &mdash; the wealthy are the early adapters of new technologies, but those new technologies usually don't work very well at first...  they tend to fuck up.  Now, I think you can imagine <em>that</em> as  a potential movie that can satisfy everybody's need for schadenfreude. 
<br/><br/>
<strong>10Z:</strong> Francis Fukuyama wrote some <a href="http://www.mywire.com/a/ForeignPolicy/Worlds-Most-Dangerous-Ideas/564801?page=4">critiques</A> of the transhumanist vision. In one essay he writes: "Modifying any one of our key characteristics inevitably entails modifying a complex, interlinked package of traits, and we will never be able to anticipate the ultimate outcome." How would you respond?
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  This gets us to the cover story on <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/bio/great-designer-baby-controversy-%E2%80%9909">so-called designer babies</A> in the current Summer Edition of <em>h+</em> magazine. There's hugely intriguing and potentially controversial issues about enhancement in this edition. And that's not only around parents pre-selecting traits for their children, but there's also a portrait of Andy Miah in the issue.  He's a British professor who &mdash; for all intents and purposes &mdash; is pro-sports doping.
<br/><br/>
Before I go into this, I want to take a bit of a detour.  When I wake up in the morning and start working on <em>h+</em>, I'm not thinking "How can I spread propaganda for the glories of transhumanism?" or anything like that.  I'm thinking: "How can I do a totally cool-ass website and magazine with the transhumanist idea and sensibility at the center of it."  That's my charge, and I'm approaching it as a craftsman.  So I'm looking at this first as a magazine writer and editor &mdash; I want it to be accessible, exciting and fun, and I want it to look great.  I want it to ride along the boundary between being a pro-transhumanist magazine and being more of a balanced and very hip generalist geek culture magazine.  That, for me, is the sweet spot in this, and I think, along with other contributors, we've pretty much nailed it.   
<br/><br/>
So I'm first of all an editor and writer.  And secondly, I'm a curious editor and writer. This isn't necessarily all good or all bad. It's interesting. And that's how I'd hope and expect most readers would approach it. 
<br/><br/>
And there's one more thing coming in a very distant third.  In the context of an overarching commitment to my philosophy of uncertainty &mdash; or meta-agnosticism &mdash; I'm an advocate of the radical technological vision.  I've thought long and hard about politics &mdash; and about consciousness unassisted by radical technology &mdash; and I've concluded that radical technology is the only bet that has a chance of winning not just a sufferable but a generally positive and enjoyable human future.  But I'm not a stoical defender of the cause or anything like that.  
<br/><br/>
So what Fukuyama proposes is interesting &mdash; that altering a few alleles to create some characteristics could iterate into monstrous or unhappy consequences further down the road.  And I think that the general consensus among geneticists is that this is very unlikely with the small kinds of changes that are being discussed now (for example, selections of eye and hair color).  Beyond that point, I say... let the arguments rage on!  One of the assumptions among advocates is that by the time we're able to make significant incursions into germ line engineering (to affect people's intelligence or make them more or less aggressive or sexier or whatever), we'll have significantly advanced measurement and predictive tools...plus, a really good understanding of what we're doing.  
<br/><br/>

And there's another argument: we change stuff all the time in the "natural" evolution of human beings &mdash; and we reap both positive and negative consequences. But generally we gain more than we lose by proceeding with technological advances.  There's this idea called the "proactionary principle" which came from Max More, one of the originators of transhumanism.  He basically argues that we measure the potential negative consequences of a technology, but we also need to measure the negative consequences of not developing a technology.  What do we lose by its absence?
<br/><br/>
Anyway, I sort of want to punt &mdash; in the specific &mdash; on the issue around choosing traits for babies.  I prefer to acknowledge that it's a controversial area, but I'm excited to present the articles that are favorable towards these activities and hope they generate lots of interest and discussion.
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<strong>10Z:</strong> Before I let you go, let me ask you about the politics of <em>h+</em> magazine and the transhumanist movement.  Ronald Bailey, who writes for the libertarian magazine Reason, criticized another transhumanist &mdash; James Hughes &mdash; who apparently advocates democratic socialism.  Where do you come down on all this, and what are the politics of <em>h+</em>?
<br/><br/>
<strong>RU:</strong>  First of all, the magazine has no explicit politics.  Having said that, I think we have an implicit politic that both Ron Bailey and James Hughes agree with. It's the idea that human beings have a right to a high degree of autonomy over their minds and bodies, and that the trend towards transhuman technologies makes those rights all the more important and poignant. So human beings would have the right not just to choose their sexual preferences, or to control their birth processes, or as consenting adults to take whatever substances they like, or to eat what they like. We would also have the right to control and change our biologies, to self-enhance, to alter our bodies through surgery and on and on.  So let me be oh-so-diplomatic, by emphasizing our points of agreement.
<br/><br/>
I'll give a bit of my own perspective in terms of the great late second millennium debate that puts an unfettered market at one end of the spectrum and communism at the other end of the spectrum; that puts competition on one end of the spectrum and cooperation at the other end; that puts decentralization at one of the spectrum and centralization on the other end of the spectrum. I'd have to say I'm horribly centrist.  I'm dead center.  It's not a mainstream centrism, but without going into a long explication, I'm almost embarrassingly moderate. 
<br/><br/>
But while I think these arguments are still lively and vital today &mdash; and I have my own cheers and jeers over each day's political issues &mdash; from a near-futurist transhumanist perspective, the debate seems really tired.  For about a decade I've been arguing that the future I see emerging is witnessed by the open source culture, Wikipedia, and file sharing. And in another decade or two the dominant economic mode will not be the market or socialism or the mixed economy that we actually have pretty much everywhere &mdash; it will be voluntary collaboration. And yes, that's kind of an anarchist view...  but I'm saying it will become the dominant mode, not the only mode. (The market and the state will continue to be factors.) I hear Kevin Kelly <a href="http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism?currentPage=all">just figured this out.</A> :)...  although his use of loaded words like socialism and collectivism are somewhat unfortunate.
<br/><br/>
People sometimes wonder how wealth will get distributed in a future economy that will likely require close to 0% human participation and that still presumably requires people to hustle themselves up some proof of value.  But I think there's a good chance that an advanced "file-sharing" culture hooked up to advanced production nanotechnology will render the question moot. 
<br/><br/>
Free lunch for everybody!
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<strong>See Also:</strong><br/>
<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/digitaledition/2009-summer/">Latest issue of <em>h+</em> magazine</A><br/>
<a href="http://cp.revolio.com/issue/393">Read the first issue</A><br/>
<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/foolish-meatstack-terminator-week-continues-register-reacts-darpa-plans">R.U. Sirius on "Terminator/Robot Week"</A><br/>
<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/magazine/2009/spring-2009">"Is the Future Cancelled?" Spring 2009 Edition</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com">HPlus Magazine's main site</A><br/>
<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog">R.U. Sirius's editor's blog</A><br/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>The Great Google Rebellion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when 22 million users get a non-consensual change to their home page? <strong>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</strong><br/>]]></description>
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<strong>Thursday Google unveiled</strong> a new design for its iGoogle homepage service.
Unfortunately (according to one geek),  it's "a big unwanted piece of crap."
<br/><br/>
In an email interview today, Google defended the changes. But Google won't let users switch their home pages back to the way they used to be, which has sparked a furious revolt, online activism, and even some homegrown fixes.
<br/><br/>
22 million people visit iGoogle each month (according to January figures from Comscore),
but Thursday Google foisted their changes onto every user in the United States. 
The same day, Johnson Rice created an online <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/igoogle/petition.html">petition</A> 
urging Google to allow a rollback option &mdash; and found nearly 1,000 people
to sign it.  Then he expanded his crusade on a <a href="http://media.libsyn.com/media/ftl/FTL2008-10-18.mp3">nationally-syndicated radio show</A>, and launched a <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=31465270731">Facebook Group</A>
protesting "forced website redesigns." Its goal?  Fighting for the best-loved sites 
"if the corporate committees start trashing them."

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<div class="breakout">
<div class="breakhead">More About Google</div>
<div class="breakcontent">
&raquo; <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/google-aaron-stanton/">Google Heard Me: Now What?</A><Br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/">Jimmy Wales Destroys Google?</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/03/19/google-stalker-reveals-secret-project/">Google Stalker Reveals Project</A><br/>
&raquo; <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/30/google-is-trying-to-get-into-your-pants/ ">Google Wants To Get</A><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/30/google-is-trying-to-get-into-your-pants/">In Your Pants</A>
</div>
</div>

iGoogle's product manager, Jessica Ewing, emaield us today arguing
Google is "constantly thinking about how to improve our products for our
users.  Then, we take our ideas, prototype them, and put them through a
vigorous set of usability tests and experiments to make sure we are
doing the right thing for users.   
<br/><br/>
"The iGoogle features we launched went through this exact process and we've made changes along
the way based on feedback from users and developers."<br/><br/>

But some users clearly aren't satisfied.  One thread in Google's discussion groups "is full of thousands of complaints 
about this sudden and unannounced change," according to <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1729203&#038;from=rss">Slashdot</A>.  In fact, one commenter <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/f52fc8ac5ea56045#">posted</A> that "Google has gone evil," joining a chorus of other negative threads.
<br/>
<blockquote>
What were you thinking????<br/>
How do I complain to Google?  <br/>
Please return the hijacked horizontal space<br/>
I agree that the new igoogle changes are crap
</blockquote>
<br/>
Within 24 hours, disgruntled users had gotten even more aggressive, and resorted to <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/4ddbf63af757d163/eb67cf13d111b9a4?lnk=raot&#038;fwc=1
">posting email addresses</A> for iGoogle's developers.   One commenter claimed they'd also contacted a Google employee, "and they said they agreed that the new layout is horrible and
was surprised that it was distributed to everyone at this point in
time.  
<br/><br/>
"They also said that as soon as they saw it, Google would be bombarded with complaints."
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Soon the fierce discussion had identified several unsanctioned workarounds,
which include logging  into Google's <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/61f1959310fc2981#">Australian</A>, <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/f52fc8ac5ea56045#">British</A> or 
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Enthusiasts/browse_thread/thread/2bd0f4ca225f1e64/ab8ba14961b76978?lnk=raot">Irish</A> home pages</A> or 
running <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/bbdda8b341939d26#">a Greasemonkey
script</A> in Firefox. (The script's name?  "Old Google Ig...")  Other protesters used Google's discussion group to <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/024f8e2da96fe1aa#
">tout</A> Google's competitors, including Netvibes and Protopages.  Another blogger located a <a href="http://karmicdragonfly.livejournal.com/425344.html">Firefox add-on</A> which "disappears" the unwanted column, and one user even <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Personalizing/browse_thread/thread/7faaab106e7b0e92#">bragged</A> they were accessing their Google Gmail account using Yahoo's home page service.
<br/><br/>
Comscore's January figures suggest Google has more than a quarter of all personalized home page users, and one iGoogle user says it's <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Enthusiasts/browse_thread/thread/2bd0f4ca225f1e64/ab8ba14961b76978?lnk=raot">corrupted</A> Google's philosophy. "Notice that the more powerful Google becomes, the more they take away our choices....once they reached the status of monopolistic
stardom they suddenly fling off the sheep's clothing and out comes the
wolf."

<br/><br/>
"Welcome to the future of cloud computing," warns a <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1000779&#038;cid=25433463">commenter</A> on Slashdot.  "This is what it means to give up control of your software for the convenience of a net-based service."<br/><br/>



<em>Information Week</em> 

iGoogle's senior product manager, Jessica Ewing, defended the new column added in the re-design.  "The left navigation allows users to go from canvas view to canvas view of the new gadgets with one click, which we think is important as we see more and more great canvas view gadgets that require a scalable navigation model."  Jessica says Google was careful to narrow the column because "We realize it does take up some screen real estate, particularly on small monitors," and adds that "We'll continue to monitor user feedback and usage and adjust accordingly." But angry users on Google Groups were already <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help-Enthusiasts/browse_thread/thread/51592e4422dcb632/75fbe068dc57bd9e?lnk=gst&#038;q=#75fbe068dc57bd9e">posting her phone number</A>, along with a number for Google's "User Experience" Vice President Marissa Mayer, urging  "flood her inbox people!"    One user even posted that "After trying the phone number and getting the 'error' hangup &mdash; I sent her a fax!"

<br/><br/>



The new iGoogle features "were designed to make it more powerful," 
according to Google's official 
<a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/give-your-gadgets-some-space.html">blog</A>, saying the redesign will "bring more information to the homepage."
Besides the new column (which re-lists the homepage's links), iGoogle now also offers a new "canvas view" expanding RSS feeds to fill the screen. (And another option condenses that view to a Gmail-like list of the feed's headlines.) The changes will simply "bring more information to the homepage," argues Google's blog. But some critics see it differently.  
<br/><br/>

"They forced users to a hideous new format today with no method to opt out," complained
a blogger named <a href="http://merrygoosemother.blogspot.com/2008/10/google-has-officially-become-evil.html">Merry Goose Mother</A>.
"Everyone on the interwebs is roaring about how much it sucks and how inconsiderate it is to make changes to a 
page that users  customize to their own preferences without providing them a medium to give feedback or revert."
She titled her post "Google has officially become evil." (Ironically, she posted it on Blogspot &mdash; a service
owned by Google.) And she asked her users for the ultimate solution.
<br/><br/>
"I need a new homepage, does anyone use Netvibes?"
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Lifehacker <a href="http://lifehacker.com/5065213/igoogle-sidebar-collapse-removes-the-new-igoogle-sidebar">
posted</A> another Greasemonkey script which eliminates Google's new design changes,
telling readers that "over half of you gave it the thumbs down. Your main complaint: 
The new sidebar eats up a substantial chunk of screen real estate."  And <em>Information Week</em> reported that "Almost all of the 80 comments posted on <em>Information Week</em> since Thursday express unhappiness about the new iGoogle," adding that "The situation is similar on other sites. Almost all of the 149 comments posted on the Google Operating System blog express displeasure with the iGoogle changes." 
<br/><br/>
But statements from Google suggested 

the easiest workaround &mdash; of logging into a foreign version of iGoogle &mdash; may not last forever. Google's blog announces cheerily "Don't worry. We'll also be rolling out this updated version in other countries very soon."
<br/><br/>
Google isn't the only offender, according to Johnson Rice. 
"Facebook has done the same thing to all their users," he argued in his radio diatribe. 
"They just changed the design, and so what has happened is people are starting to
get angry, because this is an egregious use of force on these people..."  Today Slashdot <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/017209&#038;tid=237">reported</A> that Yahoo "decided to massively screw up their entire userbase by changing all user profiles to blank, while Friday Thomas Hawk <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2008/10/flickr-changes-most-popular-page-on.html">noted</A> a thread on Flickr complaining about changes to Flickr's "Recent Activity" page.  (Hawk sardonically headlined the post "Flickr Changes Most Popular Page on the Site, Users Go Bonkers," and in three days the thread has racked up over 3,700 posts.)
<br/><br/>Johnson Rice argues the web services are committing a clear injustice.  "Both Facebook and Google, while they offer a free service, make their money on advertising," he told the radio show's hosts. "Which means that their users and their community are the people who are in fact
paying them by using their service."  But despite his best efforts, he hasn't succeeded yet in rallying  everyone to his cause.
<br/><br/>
The radio show's host responded, "I'd like to go on record as not giving a crap."<br/><br/>
<strong>See Also:</strong><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/google-aaron-stanton/">Google Heard Me: Now What?</A><Br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/">Jimmy Wales Will Destroy Google</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/03/19/google-stalker-reveals-secret-project/">Google Stalker Reveals Secret Project</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/30/google-is-trying-to-get-into-your-pants/ ">Google is Trying to Get In Your Pants</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/08/14/thomas-hawk-versus-rent-a-cops/">Thomas Hawk Vs. Rent-a-Cops</A>]]></content:encoded>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Francisco's Museum of Modern Art threw him out and triggered an online retribution, while we finally tracked down the last security guard who tried to cross the popular blogger. <strong>By&#160;Destiny</strong><br/>]]></description>
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<br /><br />
<strong>An art museum just issued a statement</strong> condemning the "harassing" and
"inappropriate" manner of Thomas Hawk's photographing of a museum
employee Friday, and defended a staffer who confronted and ejected Hawk to "ensure the safety" of the employee.
<br /><br />
But how was the employee's safety jeopardized? What was the
harassment, and what was inappropriate about it? 
<br /><br />
The <a href="http://www.sfmoma.org/press/pressroom.asp?id=371&#038;do=recent">six-sentence statement</A> on their web site "is the only comment that
the museum is making on this matter," the museum's Communications
Director told me minutes after posting the announcement. The employee at
the center of the controversy was out of the office, but it's his normal
day off, the museum assured me. 
<br /><br />
Has he been fired? I asked. 
<br /><br />
"Oh, no no no..." 
<br /><br />
I also spoke with a security guard who <em>was</em> fired after a
confrontation with Thomas Hawk in 2006, an unwilling participant in the war over photographer's rights giving his first interview.  Is there a new controversy over photography itself &mdash; and the blogger at the
center of the issue? And has Friday's incident snowballed into a larger
debate about technology, privacy, and the conduct of security guards?
<br /><br />
"I realized how insane this was," one user posted <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/aa2958ac-8031-01c3-2dff-5c0f03ed64f5/When-FriendFeed-Creates-a-Mob/ ">on FriendFeed,</A> "when
people found the guy's Facebook profile and implored everyone to harass
him there, and when people charted the vacation schedules of the guy's
bosses." 
<br /><br />
<br />

<strong>WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? </strong>
<br /><br />
For years San Francisco's Museum of Modern Art has maintained a "no
photographs" policy for their permanent collection, according to Hawk's
popular blog &mdash; but he's been taking photographs there <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2007/11/on-renegade-photography.html">anyways</A>. "I've
actually got a bunch more of what I'm calling renegade photography... I
believe that as a non-profit for the general public's artistic
enlightenment, that the SF MOMA should have a more tolerant photography
policy and I believe that renegade photography is a good thing and will
create a more vibrant and beautiful world for us all to share in." 
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<br/><br/>
Ironically, that visit in November was without incident, according to
Hawk's blog. ("Several times I was asked not to photograph and I'd comply
when asked only to whip out the camera and begin shooting again in the
next gallery...") Instead it was Friday &mdash; <em>after</em> the museum
lifted their ban &mdash; that Hawk reported an altercation. And within 24
hours, Hawk's <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2008/08/simon-blint-director-of-visitor.html">story</A> about the visit had made the front page of Digg,
receiving a whopping <a href="http://digg.com/travel_places/Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_Blint_of_SFMOMA_is_an_asshole">4,000 votes</A>. ("After purchasing my family
membership and visiting the museum today I was forcibly thrown out of
the museum by two museum security guards at the direction of the
Director of Visitor Relations Simon Blint.") 
<br /><br />
Blint told Hawk he needed to protect his employees, according to Hawk's
post about the events. ("He accused me of using a 'telephoto' lens to
spy on his staff from the public staircase on the second floor," Hawk
elaborated in the comments <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/09/sfmomas-director-of.html">on BoingBoing.</A>) An anonymous comment on his
blog post claimed a female ticket employee "was sitting directly below
where he was taking pictures and that she felt uncomfortable (especially
when other VISITORS of the museum notice)."  Another (also anonymous) commenter argued that "He was repeatedly asked
to stop taking pictures of her (at least 10 that I counted) and was then
walked out by my co-worker and I. We didn't even touch him." 
<br /><br />
"I offered to show my photographs to Blint and he refused to examine
them," Hawk responded in the comments. "[A] simple review of my photographs which I offered would have easily
cleared up any confusion. I was not provided this opportunity as I
requested. I was simply ejected from the museum." 

Hawk added that he asked to speak to Blint's superior &mdash; and was
refused. "I told him he was going to look foolish when I published the
photo that I was taking, and gave him every opportunity to take a more
rational approach to the situation." 
<br /><br />
It soon morphed from an incident to a full-blown internet phenomenon.
Digg's commenters had located the email address for the museum's director
(noting she was apparently on vacation, and speculating that "Mr Blint
was acting out while the bosses where gone.") Five more email addresses
were posted for the museum's PR staff (in a comment which got 37 Diggs)
&mdash; and then someone located his Facebook profile. The comments capture
the excited response. 
<br /><br />
"I'd like to wipe that smile off his face," 
<br /><br />
"I just wrote him a nice little note: 'Looks like you F'd with the wrong
guest...'" 
<br /><br />
"Wow, he's going to feel like crap the next time he Googles himself..." 
<br /><br />
The "Travel/Places" section of Digg had become ground zero for a
discussion about ways to respond. "I probably would've snapped a picture
of him just to piss him off, but that's how I roll," one user suggested.
And Hawk seemed to be considering something similar while addressing an
anonymous commenter on his blog. 
<br />
<blockquote> By the way anonymous security guard, are you the one that
made the "jerk off" gesture at me after evicting me from the museum or
was that the other goon working with you? Maybe I should publish the
photo of that. Not a nice gesture for a security guard to make to a
paying member. I've largely left you two out of it because as far as I
was concerned you two were just following Blint's orders. I'd be happy
to publish photographs of you both as well though if you'd like me to.
</blockquote> 
<br /><a name="terrorism"></A><br/>
<strong>
A BACKLASH? </strong>
<br /><br />
Hawk was accused of mean-spirited vengefulness by an anonymous
commenter, who remembered Hawk's <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2006/04/photographing-architecture-is-not.html">2006 run-in</A> with another San Francisco
24-year-old security guard which led to the guard's firing. In his first
interview, the security guard describes being on the receiving end. 
<br /><br />
"Because of 9/11, everybody was afraid of people taking pictures of
their buildings, especially in the financial district," he remembers. He
was told repeatedly during his training to tell visitors that pictures
were not allowed. "It's just the policy of the company," he says. "You
should approach the person and tell him that you're not allowed to take
pictures of the building. Can you please stop? And that's exactly what I
did about three times at least before he started going off on me." 
<br /><br />
Tim Gallen, a spokesperson for the building's owner, makes the same
argument. "We all learned a lot of lessons after 9/11 and one of the
ways you keep it safer is to try to discourage people taking pictures of
the security installations that you've made to make it safer." Though
the confrontation occured in April of 2006, "There's still a very big
fear today that people come around and snap pictures of buildings that
have been securitized." 
<br /><br />
There's just one problem. "You can't stop people from taking pictures of
a building," says Neville L. Johnson, a lawyer specializing in media and
privacy at the Beverly Hills law firm of Johnson &#038; Johnson. "We can take
a picture of the CIA's headquarters." The building may have its own
policies, but "If there was no trespass, I don't see anything involved
in taking the picture." 
<br /><br />
But the security guard was uncomfortable for another reason. "He was not
taking pictures of the building. He was taking pictures of me." 
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<br /><br />

Hawk has said that he hopes to take a million pictures over his lifetime
&mdash; and he's leery of those who impose restrictions. "Increasingly we are
living in a world where photographers are routinely harassed again and
again by authority figures overstepping their authority..." Hawk argued
on his blog. "While the 'photography steals your soul,' superstition
seems to be long gone, a whole litany of replacements have taken it's
place. I've seen people branded as pedophiles for shooting at public
parks or their neighborhood swimming pool. I've seen people claiming
9/11 makes checking photography necessary..." 
<br /><br />
There was a heated discussion, remembers the security guard, when he spotted Hawk taking pictures.  "I asked him not to, and then he
started talking smack to me," says the security guard, whose first name
is Alex. 'Don't tell me what to do. I'm going to do this anyways, and
take pictures of you and the building and some other stuff.' I can't
remember everything about it right, but at some point he got so angry
that he used profanity, too. 'I'm going to fucking put your picture
online and you're going to get in trouble and I'm telling you just go
back into your building.' I don't remember exactly how he said it. The
F-word was there." 
<br /><br />
The 24-year-old security guard had immigrated to America from Eastern
Europe in 2002, and then learned the language &mdash; but in this situation,
he felt helpless. "I knew I couldn't leave the premises of the building,
so I got real angry. I just felt like a dog on a leash." Hawk captured
the moment when the angry security guard flipped him the bird. "I know
that I was not supposed to do it," says Alex. "It was wrong on my side. But I was
kind of provoked into doing that." 
<br /><br />
Alex says that within 24 hours, the pictures were online, and Hawk had
emailed the links to his employers. He was fired, and "I was out of a
job after that for almost a year. I did part-time jobs, but I wasn't
able to get a full-time job at the time. Plus, I had a lot of studying
to do." 
<br /><br />
With his accent, he explained that he's never told his story "Because after reading the blog I understood that everyone that blogged
was against me. There was not one word defending or saying something &mdash;
'Hey, maybe he's not right. Maybe this guy's defending himself'... There were at least two or three other
cases where this or maybe some other photographers were taking pictures
of security guards on purpose and making fun of them." 
<br /><br />
Eventually Alex obtained his degree, and got an IT job doing networking.
He says now that "The security industry is not the best job if there's
others. These other people try to make you look bad... I don't think
it's right." 
<br /><br />
Thomas Hawk didn't return our request for a comment on the incident, but
on BoingBoing he posted a response to one of Alex's friends. 
<br /><br />
"I'm sorry your friend got fired. Maybe next time he'll think twice
about flipping off a photographer and trying to challenge their right to
shoot in public. I suppose the better thing in your opinion to have done
would have simply been to allow him to dictate where public photography
can take place and where it can't because security guards deserve that
power in our society. 
<br /><br />
"By the way, I later ended up with an apology from building management
over that issue." 
<br /><br />
The building's current manager was also out of the office Wednesday, but
calling their guard today, you get a more accommodating answer. "If
you're not on our property, you can snap photos. <br/><br/>"We can't control that." 
<br /><br /><br />
<strong>LEGAL ISSUES </strong>
<br /><br />
Alex says he even thought about suing Hawk, but "I was
overwhelmed with stuff going on in my own life &mdash; school, trying to pay
my bills, the usual stuff... I don't have family here who help me out
with money or anything else." Attorney Neville Johnson thinks it's a
pretty weak case. "The rule is there has to be an expectation of
privacy. Was there a reasonable expectation of privacy, and was the
conduct basically outrageous? But with respect to somebody in the
business world, that's not applicable." He says if Hawk antagonized the
guard, he could be "castigated morally" but "It does not appear that
there is any legal claim." <br/><br/>
Though he adds that "It sounds
like they both could use some schooling in etiquette."
<br /><br />
Hawk is a CEO of Zooomr.com (a competitor to Flickr) but this latest
high-profile incident has provoked a discussion about photography's changing
role in an increasingly technological world. "[O]ne possible reason people
are jumpy is the way that photographs routinely wind up widely
circulated online," wrote one commenter. "I won't be surprised if within
a year or two 'no video - no photography' signs are much more prevalent.
Which is sad because a few of the jerks may ruin it for everyone who can
photograph responsibly." Hawk himself has even posted his memory of <a
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/452038447/">a sidewalk
debate</A> with a cigar store owner in Los Angeles
who didn't want his shop photographed.
<br /><br />
But according to Hawk's latest blog post, his confrontation at the museum also included
a discussion about the specific the type of lens he was using &mdash; and a
commenter on Digg sees a bias against specific equipment. "As a Nikon
D80 DSLR user, I find so many people consider a pro-looking camera a
threat, while the point and shooters have no problems usually getting
their cameras into concerts for example, or shooting people out on the
street..." Attorney Neville Johnson notes that there are some specific
anti-photography laws that only apply to certain types of photographic
equipment. "There is a law in California that prohibits the taking of
pictures with the use of a telephoto lens if someone is engaged in some
personal or family-type activity... But you could use a regular lens." 
<br /><br />
Last month Thomas Hawk's photography led to yet-another confrontation
with a security guard &mdash; this time at a Hyatt Hotel in Bellevue. "My
wife and I were taking a few photographs in the lobby when we were
approached by hotel security who informed me that taking photographs in
the hotel was not allowed," Hawk <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2008/07/boycott-hyatt-hotels.html">wrote</A> on his blog. "I argued with him a
bit and told him that I was only taking pictures of bamboo. He still
pressed on with his no photography policy. I finally got him to relent
that if my wife were in the photo that I could still take the photo. As
soon as he went the other way I started taking pictures again. Illegal,
renegade photography." 
<br /><br />
Hawk titled the post "Boycott Hyatt Hotels," demanding an apology and a
change in policy. 
<br /><br />
So I placed a call to Richard Walter, the hotel's Director of Rooms. "I
read the blog, and certainly we apologize for what seems to be the
overassertiveness of the security person," he told me. Professional
photographers <em>do</em> have to get advance permission from the hotel
&mdash; and to sign an agreement &mdash; and Walter argues that the appearance of
the camera may also have contributed to the incident. "But I've spoken with
the director of security at the hotel, and he's going to be conducting
some sensitivity training in making sure his staff recognize the
difference between recreational and professional photographers." 
<br /><br />
The photography controversy has stirred up strong feelings ("Photography
is the skateboarding of the new millennium," one commeter joked on Digg
&mdash; responding to Hawk's headline that "Photography is not a crime.") And
the incident at the Museum of Modern Art prompted at least one
particularly aggresive response: "My company is a big institutional
donor to SF MOMA and I'm going to recommend they reconsider." 
<br /><br />
Hawk is not without his detractors. ("You are trying to carve out
special rights for yourself," one commenter argued on Flickr, "because
you feel entitled to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it.")
But according to his blog, Hawk makes no apologies about using his platform on the internet to
highlight obstacles in his way while practicing the art of photography. 
<br /><br />
"When I asked Blint for his last name his response to me was 'Why, so
you can blog it?" to which I answered 'yes.'" <br/><br/>
<strong>See Also:</strong><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/13/is-yahoo-flickr-dmca-policy-censorship/">Is Yahoo/Flickr DMCA Policy Censorship?</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/07/03/steve-wozniak-v-stephen-colbert-and-other-pranks/">Steve Wozniak v. Stephen Colbert &mdash; and Other Pranks</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/09/26/art-or-bioterrorism-who-cares/">Art or Bioterrorism: Who Cares?</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/should-youtube-hear-me/">Should YouTube Hear Me?</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/16/twittering-the-twitter-revolution/">Twittering the Twitter Revolution</A><br/>
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		<title>Google Stalker Reveals Secret Project</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Destiny</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens after a year of undercover development finally ends?  <strong>By&#160;Destiny</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><strong>It was an exciting moment.</strong>  After a year of development, they were finally going to release their secret project online.  Aaron Stanton and his team had been up 26 hours, according to a Boise newspaper, "broken only by a 4 a.m. trip to WinCo for 
more Red Bull energy drink."  
<br /><br />
Aaron had already made headlines when he flew to Google's headquarters last year without an appointment, vowing he'd wait in their lobby until they heard him out.  He wasn't <em>allowed</em> to camp in the lobby, but eventually he got his meeting and began cobbling together a prototype.  
Now Google, Yahoo, and Amazon have all peered at Aaron's big idea, and last week Boise's 26-year-old entrepreneur
finally revealed it to the world.
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<br /><br />
Unfortunately, <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/google-aaron-stanton/">a year ago</A> the world had already guessed Aaron's secret.  Or at least, some commenters on Digg 
deduced that it was related to "the Novel Project,"
Aaron's abandoned venture from 2002.  
<br /><br />
His newest version also analyzes
books.  But instead of delivering book-writing suggestions to authors,
it delivers book-<em>buying</em> suggestions to readers.
(Aaron calls it "a Pandora.com for books.")
In a December interview, Aaron told us he felt big companies would be more willing to listen to him now that he had something to show them.  He'd already begun filing a patent, and "I still get e-mails on a regular basis
wishing me luck."  <br /><BR />But has he already received a rejection from Google?  When we contacted Aaron
twice last week with that question &mdash; we received no reply.
Aaron's latest video announces instead that "This isn't just about Google any more.
It's also about Yahoo, who reached out to us early in this adventure."
So how did it go at Yahoo? "It was bad timing," Aaron later 
told <EM>Wired News. </EM> "We got down [to Silicon Valley], and two days later they had a bunch of
layoffs."
<br /><br />
He's also added more big names to his list of potential partners.
"It's also about Microsoft and Amazon.com," he hedges in the video,
saying they complete the list of "the four companies that we think are in the
best position to look at what we're doing and say okay, that's genuinely pretty cool."
But of course that depends on what "being about Microsoft" means.
"If you happen to work at either one of those two companies and you see
this, would you pass this on?" Aaron asks hopefully.  
"Because we have something we'd like to say to you."
<br /><br />
"We do actually own 'Can Amazon Hear Me .com'," he says in the video,
"but at this point <em>(he smiles)</em> that seems  a little cliche."
<br /><br />

Aaron rose to fame with an online video blog chronicling his quest to
get that first meeting with Google &mdash; called "Can Google Hear Me?"
But his enthusiastic updates had always adopted a fierce silence about
one topic:  his secret entrepreneurial project.  Last week that mystery
finally ended with the beta release of <a href="http://beta.booklamp.org/">BookLamp</A>.

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<br /><br />
Here's how it works.  When a user pick a book, Aaron's system quickly "reads" it &mdash; every page &mdash;
and calculates a score based on five criteria.  (Its pace,
the level of dialog and action, the amount of description and the
density of its prose.)  A slick interface then generates a graph showing
how the book scored, page by page, on each criteria &mdash; and identifies other
books with a similar profile.  
<br /><br />
In the next version, his interface will even let users adjust the
algorithm themselves, and it may even become a self-learning system.
(For example, it might tweak its scoring based on patterns like recurring
"theme" words that the user may not even be aware of.) "The idea is that over time the system will be able to 
recommend books on data that you yourself
would never think to look for on a keyword search,"
Aaron explains in a video. <br /><br />He also thinks
hopeful authors might be able to use the system to identify
publishers who'd appreciate their style, using
the system's analysis of the publisher's previous books.
And he sees other potential advantages for readers.
"Ultimately we could tell you don't give up on this book until you reach page
50 at least because then it's going to get a lot more action packed!"
<br /><br />
So far they've analyzed 207 books &mdash; though its mostly science fiction,
listed alphabetically by the author's first name.
There's seven by Isaac Asimov, and five more set in
Isaac Asimov's fictional world,
plus two books by Michael Crichton and two by L. Ron Hubbard.  There's even three by James Doohan, who played
Scotty the engineer on the original <em>Star Trek</em>.
James Doohan's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FPrivateer-Flight-Engineer-James-Doohan%2Fdp%2FB000F6Z676%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1205966245%26sr%3D8-5&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Privateer</a> rates low on description.
<br /><br />
<blockquote>
"I had a heavy date last night. I overslept," the spaceman replied,
yawning loudly...
<P>
"We're late for Strong's meeting over at the Academy," Bret snapped.
"Get up!  We've got to leave right away."
</blockquote>
<br />
But the algorithm does give it a high rating for "action" (as well as
pacing).<br /><br />

<blockquote>
Quent Miles looked at the other man, his black eyes
gleaming coldly.  "I'll get up when I'm ready," he said slowly.
<br /><br />
The two men glared at each other for a moment, and finally Brett lowered his
eyes.  Miles grinned and yawned again.
</blockquote>
<br /><br />
If you liked <em>The Privateer</em> by James Doohan, BookLamp suggests eight other 
books &mdash; including <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FIndependent-Command-Doohan-James-Engineer%2Fdp%2FB000H2N1ES%2F&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Independent Command</a>, by James Doohan.
<br /><br />
They've plotted 729,000 data points across 30,293 scenes,
but there's one big problem: it still doesn't return enough matches.
"There's no real way around this," Aaron acknowledges, "short of
adding books to our database."  He estimates that delivering
comprehensive results would require a database of at
least a million books.  "Luckily for us, we live in a time when there
are a number of such large scanning projects currently underway!"
And his team is even thinking about building their own scanner.
<br /><br />
In the mean time, they've tucked a couple practical jokes into the system.
Searching for George Orwell's 1984, the system returns a 98% match for the USA Patriot Act.
<br /><br />The book's description?  "A bad idea."
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<br /><br />
A celebratory video touted the project's journey &mdash;
a year of twice a week meetings for the five core team-members
and 13 more working remotely.  ("They worked in coffee shops and
living rooms, via Skype and instant chat.  They've become friends....")
Though they'd originally aimed for an August prototype, it took about
seven months longer.  And yet it wasn't until last month that the three Boise developers
met the other two core members, Matt Davenport from England
and the mysterious Evan from Southern California.
Dozens more programmers offered to help, the video notes.
<br /><br />
It's been a heady ride.  Aaron began receiving
thousands of emails a day after launching his video blog.  When his father was hospitalized in November of 2006,
"I realized that if I was going to do anything
with my idea I couldn't put it off any more,"  Aaron says.

<br /><br />
But today he's at a crossroads.  "So far, this project has been balanced against other things in our
lives &mdash; we've been working on this in our own time, in our living rooms, normally after hours.  And it's time for us
to decide what we want to do with BookLamp."
<br /><br />
Microsoft still hasn't opened its doors, according to Aaron's blog.
But there's still one glimmer of hope.  Earlier this month he posted optimistically that
"our presentation materials are still being bounced around Amazon.com.
We've received word on Friday that our work is being positively
received, and we should be cautiously optimistic.
<br /><br />
"Being one to celebrate whenever the opportunity arises, I immediately went out and bought
myself a $1 fudge sundae from McDonald's.
<br /><br />
And Aaron now seems to be considering other less entrepreneurial options.  He told a Boise newspaper
that "It could be money driven, but when you run out of money it's over. Or it could be fun driven, and you never run
 out of fun."  He's considering simply releasing the algorithm as an
open source project, and he's asking for input from the online community
that's been so supportive.  "It's not quite a 'choose your own
adventure' project," Aaron posts in the forum at BookLamp,
"but your feedback will absolutely influence our decisions."
<br /><br />And even if you don't like his idea, Aaron has a message for you: 
"thank you again to the thousands and thousands of people that have
sent us good luck e-mails over this last year."
He says their good will helped keep the project fun.
<br /><br />
At the end of the day, Google, Yahoo, and Amazon at least took a look at his idea.
And even if he doesn't make any money &mdash; he's still getting a chance to make
his dream come true.<br /><br />
<strong>See Also:</strong><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/03/closing-pandoras-box-the-end-of-internet-radio/">Closing Pandora's Box: The End of Internet Radio?</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/google-aaron-stanton/">Google Heard Me, Now What?</A><BR>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/should-youtube-hear-me/ ">Should YouTube Hear Me?</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/04/neil-gaiman-has-lost-his-clothes-2/">Neil Gaiman Has Lost His Clothes</A>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>There Won&#8217;t Be Blood</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Robles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A sizable percentage of the population is barred from donating blood – gay men. <strong>By&#160;Steve&#160;Robles</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><br />
<strong>When Lisa Bloch opened the drawer</strong> at San Francisco General Hospital that should have housed the trauma center’s blood supply last month, a lonely single pouch of type O-negative plasma tumbled in the empty space.
<br /><br />
Bloch, director of communications at Blood Centers of the Pacific, was seeking to draw attention to the city’s dire shortage of blood by depicting it in graphic terms. The shortage got so bad early in the month that BCoP asked local hospitals to hold off on lesser-priority surgeries.
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<br /><br />
All across the country, large cities are struggling to keep supplies at sufficient levels. The reasons are a classically tragic conflict of supply (only about five percent of adults donate blood) and demand (day-to-day trauma center crises, national emergencies, the Iraq war).
<br /><br />
Unfortunately, agencies that collect blood are fighting the battle to keep local and national blood supplies adequate with at least one hand tied behind their backs, because a sizable percentage of the population is barred from donating blood – gay men.
<br /><br />
If you’re a man who has had sex with another man even once since 1977, you are not allowed to donate blood. The ban was instituted during the height of the '80s AIDS outbreak, before proper testing existed that could screen out infected blood.
<br /><br />
But despite the leaps and bounds that have been accomplished in testing blood for HIV/AIDS, the Bush administration still doesn’t think the blood of gay males is good enough.
<br /><br />
In San Francisco, given its higher-than-average gay male population, this keeps many who would like to donate from being able to help out in what has become a day-to-day crisis situation, let alone in the event of a local or national emergency. 
<br /><br />
But San Francisco  proper has just more than 1 million people. Larger cities with a large gay male presence like Los Angeles and New York City (both of which have suffered from blood shortages recently) are also affected by the inability to tap into its gay males as a blood resource.
<br /><br />
“We have gay men come in and are surprised the ban is still in effect,” said Bloch. “They’re ready to give blood, and it’s very frustrating that we can’t use it.”
<br /><br />
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<br /><br />
BCoP was the very first organization imploring the government to soften its stance. In 2006, the Red Cross finally joined in the effort to get the Food and Drug Administration to implement the male-to-male (MSM) deferral. 
<br /><br />
“Today, we know much more about HIV,” the center wrote to the FDA. “The development of highly sensitive genetic tests for the virus has greatly reduced the “window” of transmission. Therefore, Blood Centers of the Pacific – along with the three national blood banking organizations: America’s Blood Centers, American Association of Blood Banks and the American Red Cross – believes that a 12-month deferral would adequately prevent transfusion-transmission of HIV.”
<br /><br />
A 12-month deferral is consistent with other high-risk activities that may exclude someone from donating blood, including sexual contact with a prostitute, getting a tattoo (for hepatitis C) and traveling to a region endemic for malaria.
<br /><br />
But the FDA not only refused, it didn’t even dignify the request with a response.
<br /><br />
State Assemblyman Mark Leno, an openly gay male, is convinced the Bush administration is letting its obvious agenda against gays influence public policy on an issue that not only involves public health, but national security.
<br /><br />
“There is indeed homophobia at work, and it’s not even very subtle,” said Leno. “None of this (the FDA’s inflexibility) is scientific.”
<br /><br />
Like many, Leno was unaware of the policy until he tried to donate blood when he was on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
<br /><br />
“When I was on the board I got an invitation to participate in a blood drive, and was surprised to learn that as a gay man I wasn’t allowed to participate,” he said.
<br /><br />
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<br /><br />
Leno likened the FDA policy to that of the Catholic church, which officially is “okay” with homosexuals, as long as they don’t actually <i>do</i> anything gay.
<br /><br />
Ironically, heterosexuals who engage in high-risk sexual behavior are allowed to donate blood. Some feel the whole process needs to be revised to screen out high risk groups accordingly.
<br /><br />
“They’re asking the wrong questions,” said Leno. “Ask <i>what</i> behaviors individuals are engaging in, not with whom.”
<br /><br />
The issue is expected to go before the FDA again next month, though there doesn’t appear to be much hope that the current administration will implement the MSM deferral that blood centers are counting on.
<br /><br />
Leno chuckled bitterly at the prospects, choosing instead to look forward. “With a Democratic administration, which I believe we’ll have next year, I’ll be working with House Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi to not only reverse this dangerous policy, but to address the shortage and the screening process.”
<br /><br />
“I don’t know how much longer they can keep stalling,” said Bloch, who agreed that a change of administration might be necessary before the FDA takes any action.
<br /><br />
With gay men in San Francisco making up somewhere between five and 10 percent of the city’s population, a change in policy could produce noticeable results.
<br /><br />
“I think it could make an impact on local blood shortages,” said Bloch. “Any help is a good thing, especially in times like this.”
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		<title>Dead Woman Blogging</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Theresa Duncan issue a final blog post from beyond the grave?  <strong>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><br /><strong>Theresa Duncan committed suicide</strong> in July.
<br /><br />
But on New Year's Eve, five months after her death, she updated her blog.
<br /><br />
January's <em>Vanity Fair</em> had already trumpeted "The New York Art World's Bizarre Double Suicide"
in a cover story this month.  (One week after Theresa's suicide, Jeremy
Blake, her partner of 12 years, removed his clothes and walked into the ocean at New York's Rockaway
Beach.)  Morbid interest in her blog was only exacerbated when, three months
after her death, <a href="http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witostaircase/2007/10/basil_rathbones.html">a new post</A> suddenly appeared on her blog just two days before Halloween.
Its title?
<br /><br />
"Basil Rathbone's Ghosts." 
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<br /><br />
It's a weird final twist for the A-list blogger and game designer.
In the last year of her life, Theresa's apartment was in a New York rectory "allegedly haunted by the
ghosts of Edgar Allan Poe and Harry Houdini," according to <em>Vanity
Fair,</em> and she'd developed an apparent intrigue in at least one
ghost story.
<br /><br />
Unfortunately, the entire 423-word post was <a href="http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/basil-rathbones-mysterious-message/">written by Dick Cavett</A>.  On his
own blog at the <em>New York Times</em> site, the former 70s talk show
host had promised his readers ghost stories.  In February he'd told
a story about the actor who'd played Sherlock Holmes in the 1940s.
(Moments after Rathbone's friend is killed in a car accident along with his beloved hunting dogs,
the actor receives a phone call from a psychic who says she's received a
ghostly message.  "Traveling very fast. No time to say good-bye. There
are no dogs here.")
<br /><br />
Theresa wrote a post scheduled to appear at the end of October, quoting the entirety of Cavett's last six paragraphs.

<blockquote>

The next time I saw Rathbone...more years had gone by, and he was in the act of receiving a summons for letting
his dog Ginger off the leash in Central Park. I thought he might have decided, looking back, that it had all
been some sort of bizarre coincidence, or maybe a highly original prank. He said, "At the time, of course, I was quite
shaken by it." And now? "I am still shaken by it."
</blockquote>
<br />
A note below the post warned that a second one would appear on New Year's
Eve &mdash; the final blog post of Theresa Duncan.
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<br /><br /><br />


And increasing the tension was another dark story lingering after her
death &mdash; the couple's belief that Scientologists were secretly harassing her.
<em>Vanity Fair</em> reports that her boyfriend Blake "wrote a 27-page document encapsulating their claims, which he
planned on using as the basis for a lawsuit against the Church of
Scientology."  (They also report Tom Cruise's denial that
he interfered with her negotiations to direct a modern version of Alice in Wonderland, which
her agent says was blocked for "budget considerations.")
<br /><br />
Theresa's fear of Scientologists had already led to bizarre confrontations
with their Hollywood neighbors, according to the article.

<blockquote>
"Theresa said to me, 'Jeremy and I have
started a club where we've found a bunch of old men and we're letting
them fuck us in the ass, and we wanted to know if you wanted to be a
part of it.' I asked Theresa if she was joking. She said 'no' and
repeated herself..."
<br /><br />
In July, when O'Brien came home and picked up her mail, she wrote,
Duncan "shrieked 'cult whore' and 'cult hooker' repeatedly. She was very frightening."
</blockquote>
<br />
Both incidents appeared in a letter supporting the couple's eventual eviction
from their bungalow in Venice, California in August of 2006.
<br /><br />
But a strange mystery lingers over one detail of Theresa's story &mdash;
the fact that rock star (and Scientologist) Beck pulled out of Theresa's
<em>Alice</em> movie.  <em>New York Magazine</em> found a curious inconsistency in
Beck's statement to <em>Vanity Fair</em> that he'd "never met to discuss doing her film."
Blogger Emmanuelle Richard says she found an Italian interview
where in fact, Beck gushes excitedly about preparing for his upcoming movie debut.
("It will be full of energy and full of characters:  
some kind of Alice in Wonderland set in the 70s...  The director is a friend of mine and
it will be her directorial debut. We will begin shooting in the Fall.")
<br /><br />
Or was their fast lane life simply catching up to them?
<em>Vanity Fair</em> reports Blake sometimes took a hip flask of whiskey to his job at Rockstar
Games, while Theresa "drank champagne by the bottle."
<br /><br />
"It was starting to show in their faces; they were looking haggard."
<br /><br />

After the couple's twin suicides, the <em>New York Times</em> ran an article about prowling through
Jeremy Blake's computer, assembling his final artwork from the PhotoShop folders he'd left behind.
<br /><br />

Other bloggers searched for a logic in the death of the two New York artists.
"The same anxieties that underwrite Ms. Duncan's nightmare visions are
to be found in the economic and technological circuitry that surrounds
all of us," reads one post on the blog Jugadoo, "an erosion of stable modes of identity and selfhood..."
<br />
<blockquote>It isn't hard to imagine a future scenario when people will be
able to generate AI-controlled virtual selves who will stroll around
digital worlds like Second Life, having conversations with
grief-stricken friends and family after their living counterparts are
dead. That a person on the brink of suicide might leave a new kind of
note.
</blockquote>

<br />
And then Theresa's <a href="http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witostaircase/2007/12/new_beginning.html">final blog post</A> appeared.
<br /><br /><br />
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<br /><br /><br />
It spoke of "twenty largely wasted years," saying trying to write 
is a failure "because one has only learnt to get the better of words
for the thing one no longer has to say, or the way in which
one is no longer disposed to say it."
<br /><br />
Theresa is quoting T.S. Eliot, but she'd skipped the first four
passages of "East Coker" to focus in on the fifth. "With shabby equipment always deteriorating
in the general mess of imprecision of feeling,
undisciplined squads of emotion..."
<br /><br />
Her final mysterious post was another long quote, arguing wearily that the great truths have already been recorded and 
"There is only the fight to recover what has been lost
and found and lost again and again: and now, under conditions
that seem unpropitious."
<blockquote>
"But perhaps neither gain nor loss.
For us, there is only the trying.<br /><br /> The rest is not our
business."

</blockquote>
<br/><br/>
<B>See Also:</b><br />

<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/04/scientology-fugitive-arrested/">Scientology Fugitive Arrested</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/18/give-me-immortality-or-give-me-death/">Give Me Immortality or Give Me Death</A><br /><a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/11/robert-anton-wilson-1932-2007/">Robert Anton Wilson 1932 - 2007</A><br /><a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/09/21/death-no-thank-you/">Death?  No Thank You</A><br />
<a href="http://http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/12/25/miracles/">Miracles</A><br />

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		<title>What If Ben Were One of Us?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Destiny</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time magazine's former editor asks: Would Benjamin Franklin by a blogger?  <strong>By&#160;Destiny</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><br /><strong>Would Ben Franklin be a blogger?</strong>  It's a serious question pondered by news "gatekeeper" Walter Isaacson, once the managing editor at <em>Time</em> magazine and the chief executive officer at CNN.

<br /><br />
Isaacson shared some startling insights about technology and media, both past and present,
at a symposium last year at the Smithsonian Institution's Lemelson Center  (which studies "invention and innovation.")
Isaacson told the audience that Ben Franklin was influenced by both the mechanics of 18th-century
printing presses and a fickle American public.  But as an afterthought,
Isaacson noted that today the internet creates <em>lots</em> of publishers.
"It's turned us back to the days when technology allowed low barriers of entry into the information transmission market."
<br /><br />
So are we all Ben Franklin?  Or, to put it another way &mdash; if Ben
Franklin were alive today, would he be one of us?  
The National Archivist of the United States, Allan Weinstein, had suddenly asked the
question.
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<br />
Isaacson, who'd written <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBenjamin-Franklin-American-Walter-Isaacson%2Fdp%2F074325807X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1196302843%26sr%3D8-1&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">
a 608-page biography of Franklin</A>, insisted that the answer was no &mdash; "not a blogger."  The
distinction was that Franklin "polished every word."
But the question was too provocative to leave without more discussion.
Ben Franklin <em>would</em> have a web site, Isaacson speculated.  
"It would be carefully crafted.  It would be more like Andrew
Sullivan than your normal blogger in pajamas."
<br /><br />
"And he would charge!" added archivist Weinstein.
<br /><br />
Yes, Ben Franklin would put his content behind a pay wall.  
"He would definitely charge for it," Isaacson agreed, "because he believed that if you weren't tested by the
marketplace..."   But then America's National Archivist cut him off with
an important observation about the state of the media today.


<blockquote>
Look, you have life going in two directions, as far as technology and democracy is concerned.
<br /><br />
In one direction, you have the centralization of mass media to a great extent.
You still have the three networks getting &mdash; not as much of the audience they did,
but it's something...
<br /><br />
But at the same time you have so many decentralizing
elements in the mass media, the bloggers being just one of the major ones,
that there's no coherence any longer.
<br /><br />
It's wonderful. There's this great blooming, buzzing confusion in the
media world which I think is,  by and large, an asset to democratization.
</blockquote><Br />

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<br />In a poignant moment, the National Archivist remembered his childhood in
New York, when there were twelve different newspapers.    "That dozen became the three or four that we have
now, by 1950."
And former newsman Isaacson saw an even harsher reality. "Having three newspapers in New
York &mdash; however you want to count it &mdash; that's unusual. In Los Angeles
now you're not going to have three, and the <em>Chicago Sun-Times</em> is about to go under."
<br /><br />
But ultimately this discussion led to one inescapable conclusion.
Maybe inspired by Benjamin Franklin and America's history of a
decentralized media, Isaacson made one irrefutable observation
about our media landscape today.
In the great American city of New Orleans, yes, there's one monopoly newspaper.
"But there's about twenty web sites, and probably a thousand 
bloggers, all attacking the mayor of New Orleans at any given moment!"
<br /><br />
The bloggers and other new decentralized media outlets
are "a wonderful asset," Isaacson added.  And he pointed out
that a decentralized media is almost an American tradition.  "Ben Franklin arrives in Philadelphia, and
it's a town of what &mdash; 12,000 people? It's got four newspapers. So what does Ben Franklin do? Get a fifth!"

<blockquote>
All the way through our life as a country, almost, you have low barriers
of entry to the technology of information. People could become printers,
they could have newspapers, they could be pamphleteers, they could &mdash;
whatever.
<br /><br />
When radio hits, something else happens &mdash; a
monopolization of newspapers... For a variety of
reasons &mdash; classified ads, everything else &mdash; it was better to have one
newspaper in town than seven newspapers, so you started seeing
consolidation in the newspaper market. And the barrier to entry into the
broadcast world was very hard. You couldn't become an NBC just sitting in
your pajamas in your attic or something, because there were public
airwaves, there were monopolies.  There were three networks.
<br /><br />
So for a very brief period in our country's history, approximately from 1940
to the year 2000 &mdash; for just that sixty-year period &mdash; you have a
concentration of media where it's a higher barrier to entry. You can't
start a newspaper in town, you can't start a TV network. 
<br /><br />
Then the internet blows all that away, and everybody can start web
sites, blogs, email newsletters, that sort of thing, until you'll see us
reverting back to the free flow of information that's more democratized.
</blockquote>
<br /><br />
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<br />
Would Ben Franklin really fit into all this?  Isaacson thinks it's unmistakable.
In his book he identifies Franklin as "A successful publisher and consummate networker with an inventive
curiosity.
<br /><br />
"He would have felt right at home in the information revolution."<br /><br /><strong>See Also:</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/05/is-the-net-good-for-writers/">Is The Net Good For Writers?</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/07/24/monkey-v-dog-v-wikipedia/">Monkey v. Dog v. Wikipedia</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/11/12/the-passions-of-norman-mailer/">The Furious Passions of Norman Mailer</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/08/cory-doctorow-overclocked-ru-sirius-interview/ ">When Cory Doctorow Ruled The World</A><br /><a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/04/neil-gaiman-has-lost-his-clothes-2/">Neil Gaiman Has Lost His Clothes</A><Br />
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		<title>Catching Up With an Aqua Teen Terrorist</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[January 31, 2007: a day that will live in infamy. The great city of Boston was brought to its knees by the appearance of unexpected L.E.D. placards in places where they didn't belong. An interview with one of the evildoers. <strong>By&#160;RU&#160;Sirius</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><br />
<strong>January 31, 2007:</strong> a day that will live in infamy. The great city of Boston was brought to its knees by the appearance of unexpected L.E.D. placards in places where they didn't belong. Alert to potential connections between terror and anything a wee bit unusual, stout citizens and government officials alike in the land of the free and the home of the brave peed their metaphoric pants. The L.E.D. character was described in a CNN report as "a Mooninite, an outer-space delinquent… greeting passersby with an upraised middle finger." Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley was quoted in the same piece as saying, "It had a very sinister appearance." The horror. <em>The horror.</em><br /><br /><!--adsense-->
<br /><br />
A pair of young Bostonians were arrested for perpetrating this dastardly act as hired guns in a guerrilla marketing campaign to promote the upcoming movie, <em>Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie.</em> The two lads, Peter Berdovsky and Sean Stevens were charged with "placing a hoax device in a way that results in panic," a felony, and disorderly conduct. At a news conference, Berdovsky and Stevens refused to talk about the case but expressed a willingness to opine at length on '70s hairstyles. They were not taken up on their generous offer by the gathered media.<br /><br />
Berdovsky, known popularly as Zebbler, has plenty of hair to think about – long dreadlocks down to his waist. He also has a reputation in Boston &mdash; and increasingly around the world &mdash; as a popular VJ, video artist, performance artist and painter. Sentenced to 80 hours community service for his crime, he made the most of it, painting a delightfully trippy mural for Spaulding (physical) Rehabilitation Center. He was also recently voted the #12 VJ in the world by London-based <em>DJ Magazine</em> and was named Boston's Best Artist  by <em>Improper Bostonian Magazine.</em>  Zebbler also recently appeared  in Berkeley, Caliifornia where his surround sound HD projection set was part of the opening reception for RIP.MIX.BURN.BAM.PFA at the Pacific Film Archives &mdash;  an exhibit that "celebrates the cultural and artistic practice of remix." <br /><br />
Meanwhile, the film that brought down the city, <em>Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie</em> was, undeservedly, a commercial flop. (Maybe if they'd shut down more cities, people would have noticed.) But it is now <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FHunger-Force-Colon-Movie-Theaters%2Fdp%2FB00005JPP2%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Ddvd%26qid%3D1195237550%26sr%3D8-1&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">out on DVD</a>, so don't wait to discover what happens when Carl gets strapped into the insane-o-flex. Like the cartoon, the movie is, at times: ridiculous, stupid, hilarious, clever, and – of course – composed of cheesy bad animation. Rent it. You can't go wrong. <br /><br />
I interviewed Berdovsky aka Zebbler by email.
<br /><br />

<strong>RU SIRIUS:</strong> Most people who read this will probably just know you as the guy with the long dreads who got caught up in the big Aqua Teen Terrorist scare of 2007. Were you in any way prepared to get caught up in anything that absurd? <br /><br />
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<strong>ZEBBLER:</strong> Well it depends. I never expected anyone to freak out over the L.E.D. placards. However, I recognize people's perceptions of me. I behaved in a manner that was consistent with my knowledge of how I am perceived, although there were definitely a few unknowns. I have never seen a guy with long dreadlocks in a situation like mine. People's reactions were pleasantly positive. On the streets, in airports, stores, events &mdash; people who recognize me are generally very positive and curious. <br /><br />
<strong>RU:</strong> I've known a couple of people who have wound up in situations with Homeland Security basically around technologies that were not understood. They found themselves facing a veritable platoon of armed agents and various other types of hostility. How was your treatment at the hands of law enforcement, homeland security and so forth? Did anybody on that team say or do anything particularly bizarre or interesting?<br /><br />
<strong>Z:</strong> Yeah, there were lots of interesting statements from them. My interrogator gave me nothing but carrots to eat. I cooperated fully &mdash; since I had nothing to hide &mdash; but at times it was uncanny as to how convincing he was. He made me want to tell him my deepest secrets &mdash; a genuinely weird feeling. I had to snap out of it a few times. He promised to give me back all of the mooninites they have confiscated from me. It was a lie and I knew it as he was saying it. <br /><br />
The biggest surprise was from one of the older state police person. On the way out of the holding cell where we were held in overnight, there were whispers about us being famous as a result of what happened. One of the higher-ups came up to me as I was being led away in shackles and said:  "My daughter is a huge fan of you. She watches the show and knows all about what happened. She was so excited that I get to see you." He paused for a second and added: "So... did you really mean to blow up Boston?" I think I just growled with disbelief after that statement and walked out to face the press staking out the holding cell in the bitterly cold morning. <br /><br />
<strong>RU:</strong> You're a pretty well known video artist and VJ. What do you try to do with the medium and tell us about a few high points in your career? <br /><br />
<strong>Z:</strong> I am moving more and more in the direction of solo surround sound custom HD video performances. I have spent several years creating custom psychedelic content in my resolution. To my mild surprise, it's starting to be recognized by the fine art community. I recently performed solo at Berkeley Museum of Art (California) as part of their RIP.MIX.BURN.BAM.PFA. There are also talks about performing for the Anchorage Film Festival (AK). <br /><br />
I tend to get physical in my performances. I am known for wearing costumes and masks during performances and potentially more than other VJs I have been mistaken for DJs during many shows. <br /><br />
Right after graduating from Mass College of Art, I went on a major US tour providing custom video projection performances for Ozric Tentacles. That was pretty great. A lot of work (25 shows in 30 days all over US) &mdash; but a great introduction to the industry and craft of live performance in big venues. <br /><br />
<strong>RU:</strong> You also worked recently with Alex Grey, the painter who is much known and admired in psychedelic circles. How have psychedelics influenced your work... and do you think your experiences helped you maintain your sense of humor throughout the whole Aqua Teen Terror crisis? You guys were pretty gracious and disarming when you went on Fox with Geraldo. <br /><br />
<strong>Z:</strong> Mmm... that's a big question. Psychedelics were a major part of my inspiration to create art. As a teen, I read a lot about human psychology and heard about the sensory deprivation experiments, where people are faced with nothing but their inner world. It inspired me to seek similar experiences. Probably, it was my desire to seek the unexplained, the otherworldly. It was a yearning to prove to myself that there's something outside the box. I have since learned to differentiate between genuine revelations and delusional mind tricks. I am not as intensely into mental experimentation these days &mdash; instead I'm trying to recreate a lot of the feelings, concepts and sensations through my art. <br /><br /> 
A life-changing psychedelic experience is an honest slap in the face with a realization of our own arbitrary position in the universe. Regular societal roles become unglued. Personal impulses reveal their egotism. It did not seem to offer a path to salvation, just a widening of perspective.<br /><br />
One doesn't need psychedelics to achieve those kinds of realizations however. While it helped my sense of humor to a degree &mdash; I think ultimately it's my personality that's responsible for my sensations and behavior during the Aqua Teen Boston Bomb Scare. When I am faced with an uncontrollable situation, I let go of trying to control what's beyond reach, and focus on what I can change. Both Sean and I didn't want this case to intimidate or frighten people. We were sick of media spinning stories to make them scarier. So we came up with a way to disarm the media &mdash; first with our press conference.<br /><br /><!--adsense#IndieClick_468-->
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<strong>RU:</strong>  Tell us about your video show, "I Wash My TV in Fear"<br /><br />
<strong>Z:</strong> It was my reaction to seeing so many fear-inducing messages constantly on our TV screens. Since the news became a business, they realized that fear creates the need to watch. The TVs at my performance were literally awash in fear. I recorded a day or two of television news and selected the most frightening messages to create a hyper saturated barrage of FEAR that I then perform live on multiple screens with custom music/edits/animations. <br /><br />
<strong>RU:</strong> So what did you think of the Aqua Teen movie? I thought it was pretty hilarious nonsense but you may disagree. And do you think it's weird that all the publicity didn't create any curiosity for the flick?<br /><br />
<strong>Z:</strong> I thought it held up strong with a hilarious start and beginning/middle. But, ultimately I was hoping for a more intelligent ending. Instead, it all just went to hell. But so be it &mdash; I had a good time. And it was a little strange that it didn't get that much attention. I attribute some of it to the execs freaking out and backing off from the promotional opportunity that this event gave them.
<br /><br />
<strong>See also:</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/28/is-it-fascism-yet/">Is It Fascism Yet?</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/08/28/burning-the-man-with-hunter-s-thompson">Burning the Man with Hunter S. Thompson</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/06/10/the-great-wired-drug-non-controversy/">The Great Wired Drug Non-Controversy</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/03/ten-worst-spiderman-tie-ins/">10 Worst Spiderman Tie-Ins</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/09/26/art-or-bioterrorism-who-cares/">Art or Bioterrorism: Who Cares?</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2008/10/31/lost-horrors-ending-found-on-youtube/">Lost "Horrors" Ending Found on YouTube</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/10/homeland-security-follies/">Homeland Security Follies </A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/">Prior Permission Required by Government Before Each Flight </A><br />



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<strong>"Writing as a special talent</strong> became obsolete in the 19th century. The bottleneck was publishing."<Br /><br /> That bold statement came from Clay Shirky when I interviewed him for the NeoFiles webzine back in 2002. I never got around to asking him if that was an aesthetic judgment or a statement about economics and social relations. 
<br /><br />
But here's a contrasting viewpoint.  Novelist William Burroughs met playwright Samuel Beckett, and after some small talk, Beckett looked directly at Burroughs and said, propitiously, "You're a writer."  Burroughs instantly understood that Beckett was welcoming him into a very tiny and exclusive club &mdash; that there are only a few writers alive at any one time in human history. Beckett was saying that Burroughs was one of them.  Everybody writes. Not everybody is a writer. Or at least, that's what some of us think...
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<br /><br />
Now the web &mdash; and its democratizing impact &mdash; has spread for over a decade. Over a billion people can deliver their text to a very broad public. It's a fantastic thing which gives a global voice to dissidents in various regions, makes people less lonely by connecting other people with similar interests and problems, ad infinitum.  <BR /><br />But what does it mean for writers and writing? What does it mean for those who specialize in writing well?
<br /><br />
I've asked ten professional writers, including Mr. Shirky, to assess the net's impact on writers. Here are their answers to the question...

<br /><br />

<strong>Q: Is the internet good for writers and writing?</strong>
<br /><br /><br />

<strong>Mark Amerika</strong> <br /><br />
The short answer is yes, but as I suggest in my new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262012332?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0262012332">META/DATA,</a> we probably need to expand the concept of writing to take into account new forms of online communication as well as emerging styles of digital rhetoric. This means that the educational approach to writing is also becoming more complex, because it's not just one (alphabetically oriented) literacy that informs successful written communication but a few others as well, most notably visual design literacy and computer/networking literacy.
<br /><br />
As always, RU, you were ahead of the game &mdash; think how easy it is to text your name!
<br /><br />
It helps to know how to write across all media platforms. Not only that, but to <em>become</em> various role-playing personas whose writerly performance plays out in various multi-media languages across these same platforms. The most successful writer-personas now and into the future &mdash; at least those interested in "making a living" as you put it &mdash; will be those who can take on varying flux personas via the act of writing. 
(And who isn't into making a living... What's the opposite? Conducting a death ritual for the consumer zombies lost in the greenwash imaginary?) 
<br /><br />
Think of this gem from Italo Calvino. <blockquote>Writing always presupposes the selection of a psychological attitude, a rapport with the world, a tone of voice, a homogeneous set of linguistic tools, the data of experience and the phantoms of the imagination &mdash; in a word, a style. The author is an author insofar as he enters into a role the way an actor does and identifies himself with that projection of himself at the moment of writing.</blockquote>
<br />
The key is to keep writing, imaginatively. As Ron Sukenick once said: "Use your imagination or else someone else will use it for you." What better way to use it than via writing, and the internet is the space where writing is teleported to your distributed audience in waiting, no?
<br /><br />
<blockquote>Mark Amerika has been the Publisher of <a href="http://www.altx.com">Alt-X</A> since it first went online in 1993. He is the producer of the Net-Art Trilogy, Grammatron. His books include <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262012332?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0262012332">META/DATA: A Digital Poetics</a> and 
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1879691329?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1879691329">In Memoriam to Postmodernism: Essays on the Avant-Pop</a> (coedited with Lance Olsen). He teaches at the University of Colorado in Boulder.</blockquote>
<br /><br /><br />

<strong>Erik Davis</strong> <br /><br />
In the face of this complex, hydra-headed query I'll simply offer the evidence and narrow perspective of one writer in a moderately grumpy mood: me. <br /><br />I began my career as a freelance writer in 1989, and by the mid-90s was a modestly successful and up-and-coming character who wrote about a wide number of topics for a variety of print publications, both esoteric (<em>Gnosis,</em> <em>Fringeware Review</em>) and slick (<em>Details,</em> <em>Spin).</em> I got paid pretty good for a youngster—generally much better than I get paid now, when my career sometimes looks more and more like a hobby, but also less driven by external measures of what a “successful” writing career looks like.
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I cannot blame my shrinking income entirely on the internet. My own career choices have been largely to write about what I want to write about, and my interests are not exactly mainstream. The early to mid-1990s was a very special time in American culture, a strange and giddy Renaissance where esoteric topics freely mixed and matched in a highly sampledelic culture. So I was able to write about outsider matters in a reasonably mainstream context. <br /><br />My first book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1852427728?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1852427728">Techgnosis,</a> which was about mystic and countercultural currents within media and technological culture, fetched a pretty nice advance. But once the internet bubble really started to swell, leading to the pop and then 9/11, that era passed into a more conservative, celebrity-driven, and niche-oriented culture, a development that relates to the rise of the internet but cannot be laid at its feet.
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Many of the changes in the book industry and print publications are more obviously related to the rise of the internet. One of the worst developments for me has been the increasing brevity of print pieces, something I do blame largely on the fast-moving, novelty-driven blip culture of the internet and the blogosphere. When I started writing for music magazines, I wrote 2000-plus-word articles about (then) relatively obscure bands like Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. Now I write 125-word reviews for Blender. I don't even try to play the game of penning celebrity-driven profiles in mainstream music mags anymore, where feature lengths have shrunk all around and the topics seem more driven by the publicists.
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Shrinking space has definitely worked against my job satisfaction. I'm basically an essayist, though I often disguise myself as a critic or a journalist. Either way, it means that I am a long writer guy. I like to develop topics, approach them from different, often contradictory angles, and most of all, I like to polish the shit out of them so that the flow and the prose shine and bedazzle. On and offline, I find the internet-driven pressure to make pieces short, data-dense, and crisply opinionated &mdash; as opposed to thoughtful, multi-perspectival, and lyrical &mdash; rather oppressive, leading to a certain kind of superficial smugness as well as general submission to the forces of reference over reflection. I do enjoy writing 125-word record reviews though!
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I also like to read and try to produce really good prose &mdash; prose that infuses nonfiction, whether criticism or journalism or essay, with an almost poetic and emotional sensibility that ideally reflects in style and form the content that one is expressing. But nonfiction discourse online is almost entirely driven by Content &mdash; which includes not only news and information, but also opinion, that dread and terrible habit that is kinda like canned thought. People have reactions, and yet feel a need to justify them, and so reach for a can of opinion, pop the lid, and spread it all over the bulletin board or the blog. <br /><br />I'm really sick of opinions and of most of what passes for online debate. Even the more artful rhetorical elements of argument and debate are rarely seen amidst the food fights, the generic argumentative “moves,” the poor syntax, and the often lame attempts to bring a “fresh take” to a topic. This is not an encouraging environment from which to speak from the heart or the soul or whatever it is that makes living, breathing prose an actual source of sustenance and spiritual strength. 
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But it's all about adaptation, right? Though I'm still committed to books, I now write more online than off. I've been enjoying myself, although my definition of “making a living” has continued to sink ever farther from anything halfway reasonable. I've enjoyed writing for online pay publications like <em>Slate</em> and <em>Salon</em>, but the rates are depressing. As for my own writing at my Techgnosis.com, I'm still struggling to develop traffic in an environment that rewards precisely the kind of writing I don't really do. Some people really love the stuff I write there, but I take a lot of time on my posts and generally don't offer the sort of sharp opinions and super-fresh news and unseen links that tend to draw eyeballs.
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At the same time, it's been enormously satisfying to find my own way into this vast and open form, and to elude the generic grooves of the blog form and really shape it into a medium for the kind of writing I want to do. (Don't get me wrong&mdash;some of my favorite writing and thinking anywhere appears online; BLDGBLOG is just the first that springs to mind.) It's been delicious to explore possibilities in nonfiction writing that all but the most obscure and arty print publications would reject, and to do so in a medium that is bursting with possible readers. I'm not into “private” writing; I write for and with readers in mind, and I think its great how the web allows linkages and alliances with like minds and crews (like 10 Zen Monkeys, or Reality Sandwich, or Boing Boing). And I know that readers who resonate with my stuff now stumble across it along myriad paths.
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At the same time, I find it tough to keep at bay the online inclinations that in many ways I find corrosive to the type of writing I do &mdash; the desire to increase traffic, to post relentlessly, to write shorter and snappier, to obsessively check stats, to plug into the often tedious and ill-thought “debates” that will increase traffic but that too often fall far short of actually thinking about anything. I've met amazing like minds online, and participated in some stellar debates, but frankly that was years ago. Today things seem to be growing rather claustrophobic and increasingly cybernetic. 
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For example, I chose to not have a comments section on Techgnosis.com, because I didn't want to deal with spam. Plus I find most comments sections boring and/or tendentious and/or tough to read for one still invested in proper grammar. I figure that folks who wanted to respond can just send me emails, which they do, and which I have long made it a rule to answer. I'm pleased with my choice, though I also feel the absence of the sort of quick feedback loops of attention that satisfy the desire to make an impact on readers, and that, in an attention economy, have increasingly become the coin of the realm. But that coin&mdash;which is certainly not the same thing as actually being read&mdash;is a little thin. <BR /><Br />Especially without some of the old coin in your pocket to back it up. 
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<blockquote>Erik Davis is author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0811848353?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0811848353">The Visionary State: A Journey Through California's Spiritual Landscape</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1852427728?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1852427728">Techgnosis: Myth, Magic &#038; Mysticism in the Age of Information.</a> <BR /><br />He writes for <em>Wired</em>, <em>Bookforum</em>, <em>Village Voice</em> and many other publications. He posts frequently at his website at <a href="http://www.techgnosis.com">techgnosis.com</A></blockquote>

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<strong>Mark Dery</strong><br /><br />
Who, exactly, is making a living shoveling prose online? Glenn "Instapundit" Reynolds? Jason Kottke? Josh Marshall? To the best of my knowledge, only a vanishingly tiny number of bloggers are able to eke out an existence through their blogging, much less turn a healthy profit. <br /><br />For now, visions of getting rich through self-publishing look a lot like envelope-stuffing for the cognitive elite &mdash; or at least for insomniacs with enough time and bandwidth to run their legs to stumps in their electronic hamster wheels, posting and answering comments 24/7. As a venerable hack toiling in the fields of academe, I <em>love</em> the idea of being King of All Media without even wearing pants, which is why I hope that some new-media wonk like Jason Calacanis or Jeff Jarvis finds the Holy Grail of self-winding journalism &mdash; i.e., figuring out how to make online writing self-supporting.
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Meanwhile, the sour smell of fear is in the air. Reporting &mdash; especially investigative reporting, the lifeblood of a truly adversarial press &mdash; is labor-intensive, money-sucking stuff, yet even <em>The New York Times</em> can't figure out how to charge for its content in the Age of Rip, Burn, and Remix. To be sure, newspapers are hemorrhaging readers to the Web, and fewer and fewer Americans care about current events and the world outside their own skulls. But the other part of the problem is that Generation Download thinks information wants to be free, everywhere and always, even if some ink-stained wretch wept tears of blood to create it. <br /><br />Lawrence Lessig talks a good game, but I still don't understand how people who live and die by their intellectual property survive the obsolescence of copyright and the transition to the gift economy of our dreams. I mean, even John Perry Barlow, bearded evangelist of the coming netopia, seems to have taken shelter in the academy. Yes, we live in the golden age of achingly hip little 'zines like <em>Cabinet</em> and <em>The Believer</em> and <em>Meatpaper,</em> and I rejoice in that fact, but most of them pay hen corn, if they pay at all. <br /><br />As someone who once survived (albeit barely) as a freelancer, I can say with some authority that the freelance writer is going the way of the Quagga. Well, at least <em>one</em> species of freelance writer: the public intellectual who writes for a well-educated, culturally literate reader whose historical memory doesn't begin with <em>Dawson's Landing</em>. A professor friend of mine, well-known for his/her incisive cultural criticism, just landed a column for PopMatters.com. Now, a column is yeoman's work and it doesn't pay squat. But s/he was happy to get the gig because she wanted to burnish her brand, presumably, and besides, as she noted, "Who does, these days?" (Pay, that is.) <em>The Village Voice's Voice Literary Supplement</em> used to offer the Smartest Kids in the World a forum for long, shaggy screeds; now, newspapers across the country are shuttering their book review sections and the Voice is about the length (and depth) of your average Jack Chick tract and shedding pages by the minute.
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So those are the grim, pecuniary effects of the net on writers and writing. As for its literary fallout, print editors are being stampeded, goggle-eyed, toward a form of writing that presumes what used to be called, cornily enough, a "screenage" paradigm: short bursts of prose &mdash; the shorter the better, to accommodate as much eye candy as possible. Rupert Murdoch just took over <em>The Wall Street Journal,</em> and is already remaking that august journal for blip culture: article lengths are shrinking.  Shrewdly, magazines like <em>The New Yorker</em> understand that print fetishists want their print <em>printy</em> &mdash; McLuhan would have said Gutenbergian &mdash; so they're erring on the side of length, and Dave Eggers and the <em>Cabinet</em> people are emphasizing what print does best: exquisite paper stocks, images so luxuriously reproduced you could lower yourself into them, like a hot bath. <br /><br />Also, information overload and time famine encourage a sort of flat, depthless style, indebted to online blurblets, that's spreading like kudzu across the landscape of American prose. (The English, by contrast, preserve a smarter, more literary voice online, rich in character; not for nothing are Andrew Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens two of the web's best stylists.) I can't read people like Malcolm Gladwell, whose bajillion-selling success is no surprise when you consider that he aspires to a sort of in-flight magazine weightlessness, just the sort of thing for anxious middle managers who want it all explained for them in the space of a New York-to-Chicago flight. The English language dies screaming on the pages of Gladwell's books, and between the covers of every other bestseller whose subtitle begins, "How..." 
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Another fit of spleen: This ghastly notion, popularized by Masters of Their Own Domain like Jeff Jarvis, that every piece of writing is a "conversation." It's a no-brainer that writing is a communicative act, and always has been. And I'll eagerly grant the point that <em>composing</em> in a dialogic medium like the net is like typing onstage, in Madison Square Garden, with Metallica laying down a speed metal beat behind you. You're writing on the fly, which is halfway between prose and speech. But the Jarvises of the world forget that not all writing published online is written online. I dearly loathe Jarvis's implication that all writing, online or off, should sound like water-cooler conversation; that content is all that matters; that foppish literati should stop sylphing around and submit to the tyranny of the pyramid lead; and that any mind that can't squeeze its thoughts into bullet points should just die. This is the beige, soul-crushing logic of the PowerPoint mind. What will happen, I wonder, when we have to write for the postage-stamp screen of the <a href="http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--197196_Apple_iPhone">iPhone</a>? The age of IM prose is waiting in the wings...
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Parting thoughts: The net has also open-sourced the cultural criticism business, a signal development that on one hand destratifies cultural hierarchies and makes space for astonishing voices like the people behind bOING bOING and BLDGBLOG and Ballardian. Skimming reader comments on Amazon, I never cease to be amazed by the arcane expertise lurking in the crowd; somebody, somewhere, knows everything about something, no matter how mind-twistingly obscure. But this sea change &mdash; and it's an extraordinary one &mdash; is counterbalanced by the unhappy fact that off-the-shelf blogware and the comment thread make everyone a critic or, more accurately, make everyone <em>think</em> they're a critic, to a minus effect. We're drowning in yak, and it's getting harder and harder to hear the insightful voices through all the media cacophony. Oscar Wilde would be just another forlorn blogger out on the media asteroid belt in our day, constantly checking his SiteMeter's Average Hits Per Day and Average Visit Length.
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Also, the Digital Age puts the middlebrow masses on the bleeding edge. Again, a good thing, and a symmetry break with postwar history, when the bobos were the "antennae of the race," as Pound put it, light years ahead of the leadfooted bourgeoisie when it came to emergent trends. Now even obscure subcultures and microtrends tucked into the nooks and crannies of our culture are just a Google search away. Back in the day, a subcultural spelunker could make a living writing about the cultural fringes because it took a kind of pop ethnographer or anthropologist to sleuth them out and make sense of them; it still takes critical wisdom to make sense of them, but sleuthing them out takes only a few clicks.
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Do I sound bitter? Not at all. But we live in times of chaos and complexity, and the future of writing and reading is deeply uncertain. Reading and writing are solitary activities. The web enables us to write in public and, maybe one day, strike off the shackles of cubicle hell and get rich living by our wits. Sometimes I think we're just about to turn that cultural corner. Then I step onto the New York subway, where most of the car is talking nonstop on cellphones. Time was when people would have occupied their idle hours between the covers of a book. No more. We've turned the psyche inside out, exteriorizing our egos, extruding our selves into public space and filling our inner vacuums with white noise.
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<blockquote>Mark Dery is the author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802136702?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0802136702">The Pyrotechnic Insanitarium: American Culture on the Brink</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802115802?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0802115802">Escape Velocity: Cyberculture at the End of the Century.</a> His 1993 essay "Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing, and Sniping in the Empire of the Signs" popularized the term "culture jamming" and helped launch the movement. <br /><br />He teaches media criticism and literary journalism in the Department of Journalism at NYU and blogs at <a href="http://www.markdery.com">markdery.com</A></blockquote>
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<strong>Jay Kinney</strong><br /><br />
It's a mixed blessing.
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If the hardest part of writing is just making yourself sit there and write, and what used to be a typewriter and a blank sheet of paper has been transformed into a magical portal to a zillion fascinating destinations, then the internet can be a giant and addictive distraction.
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On the other hand, it's a quick and simple way to do research without ever leaving your chair, and that can be a real time-saver.
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So, on those counts at least &mdash; color me ambivalent.
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<blockquote>Jay Kinney is the author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0835608441?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0835608441">Hidden Wisdom: A Guide to the Western Inner Traditions</a> (with Richard Smoley), and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585423394?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1585423394">The Inner West: An Introduction to the Hidden Wisdom of the West.</A> He was the editor of <em>CoEvolution Quarterly</em> and <em>Gnosis</em> magazine.</blockquote>
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<strong>Paul Krassner</strong><br /><br />
For me as a writer, the internet has become indispensable; if only in terms of researching it saves so much time and energy. Google et al are miraculous.<Br /> <Br />Word processing has changed the nature of editing, and without the dread of typing a whole page again; I can change things as I go along, surrendering to delusions of perfection.<Br /> <Br />I have become as much in awe of Technology as I am of Nature. And although I blog for free, occasional paid assignments have fallen into my lap as a result. <Br /><Br />Better than lapdancing.
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<blockquote>Paul Krassner was Publisher/Editor of the legendary satire magazine, <em>The Realist.</em> <br /><br />He started the classic satirical publication <em>The Realist</em>, founded the Yippies with Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin and has written billions and billions of books including his most recent: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1583226966?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1583226966">One Hand Jerking: Reports from an Investigative Satirist</a>. Krassner posts regularly at paulkrassner.com</blockquote>
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<strong>Adam Parfrey</strong>
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The internet has made research much easier, which is both good and bad. It's good not to be forced to go libraries to fact check and throw together bibliographic references. But it's bad not to be forced to do this, since it diminishes the possibility of accidental discovery. Physically browsing on library stacks and at used bookstores can lead to extraordinary discoveries. One can also discover extraordinary things online, too, but the physical process of doing so is somehow more personally gratifying.
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The internet has both broadened and limited audiences for books at the same time. People outside urban centers can now find offbeat books that personally intrigue them. But the interest in physical books overall seems diminished by the satiation of curiosity by a simple search on the internet, and the distraction of limitless data smog.
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The internet has influenced my decision as a publisher to move away from text-only books to ones with a more multimedia quality, with photos, illustrations and sometimes CDs or DVDs.
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I like the internet and computers for their ability to make writers of nearly everyone. I don't like the internet and computers for their ability to make sloppy and thoughtless writers of nearly everyone.
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Overall, it's an exciting world. I'm glad to be alive at this time.
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<blockquote>Adam Parfrey is Publisher with Feral House and Process Media, and author of the classic <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0922915059?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0922915059">Apocalypse Culture,</a> among many other books.</blockquote>  
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<strong>Douglas Rushkoff</strong>
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I'd say that it's great for writing as a cultural behavior, but maybe not for people who made their livings creating text. There's a whole lot more text out there, and only so much time to read all this stuff. People spend a lot of their time reading text on screens, and don't necessarily want to come home and read text on a page after that. Reading a hundred emails is really enough daily reading for anyone.
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The book industry isn't what it used to be, but I don't blame that on the internet. It's really the fault of media conglomeration. Authors are no longer respected in the same way, books are treated more like magazines with firm expiration dates, and writers who simply write really well don't get deals as quickly as disgraced celebrities or get-rich-quick gurus.
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This makes it harder for writers to make a living writing. To write professionally means being able to craft sentences and paragraphs and articles and books that communicate as literature. Those who care about such things should rise to the top.
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But I think many writers &mdash; even good ones &mdash; will have to accept the fact that books can be loss-leaders or break-even propositions in a highly mediated world where showing up in person generates the most income.
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<blockquote>Douglas Rushkoff is a noted media critic who has written and hosted two award-winning Frontline documentaries that looked at the influence of corporations on youth culture &mdash; <em>The Merchants of Cool</em> and <em>The Persuaders.</em> <br /><br />Recent books include <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060758708?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0060758708">Get Back in the Box: How Being Great at What You Do Is Great for Business</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400051398?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1400051398">Nothing Sacred: The Truth About Judaism.</a> He is currently writing a monthly comic book, <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/21/bible-rushkoff-testament/">Testament</A> for Vertigo. He blogs frequently at <a href="http://www.rushkoff.com/blog.php">Rushkoff.com/blog.php</A></blockquote>
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<strong>Clay Shirky</strong>
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Dear Mr. Sirius,
I read with some interest your request to comment on whether Herr Gutenberg's new movable type is good for books and for scribes. I have spent quite a bit of time thinking about the newly capable printing press, and though the invention is just 40 years old, I think we can already see some of the outlines of the coming changes.
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First, your question "is it good for books and for scribes?" seems to assume that what is good for one must be good for the other. Granted, this has been true for the last several centuries, but the printing press has a curious property &mdash; it reduces the very scarcity of writing that made scribal effort worthwhile, so I would answer that it is great for books and terrible for scribes. Thanks to the printing press, we are going to see more writing, and more kinds of writing, which is wonderful for the reading public, and even creates new incentives for literacy. Because of these improvements, however, the people who made their living from the previous scarcity of books will be sorely discomfited.
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In the same way that water is more vital than diamonds but diamonds are more expensive than water, the new abundance caused by the printing press will destroy many of the old professions tied to writing, even as it puts in place new opportunities as yet only dimly with us. Aldus Manutius, in Venice, seems to be creating a market for new kinds of writing that the scribes never dreamt of, and which were impossible given the high cost of paying someone to copy a book by hand.
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There is one thing the printing press does not change, of course, which is the scarcity of publishing. Taking a fantastical turn, one could imagine a world in which everyone had not only the ability to read and write but to publish as well. In such a world, of course, we would see the same sort of transformation we are seeing now with the printing press, which is to say an explosion in novel forms of writing. Such a change would also create enormous economic hardship for anyone whose living was tied to earlier scarcities. Such a world, as remarkable as it might be, must remain merely imaginative, as the cost of publishing will always be out of reach of even literate citizens.
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Yours,<br /><br />
Clay Shirky, Esq.
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<blockquote>Clay Shirky consults on the rise of decentralized technologies for Nokia, the Library of Congress, and the BBC. He's an adjunct professor in NYU's graduate Interactive Telecommunications Program (ITP), where he teaches a course in "Social Weather," examining ways of understanding group dynamics in online spaces.<BR /> <BR />His writing has appeared in <em>Business 2.0,</em> <em>New York Times,</em> <em>the Wall Street Journal,</em> and <em>Wired,</em> among other publications.</blockquote>
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<strong>John Shirley</strong><br /><br />
The internet has some advantages for writers, which I gladly exploit; it offers some access to new audiences, it offers new venues... But it has even more disadvantages. 
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A recent study suggested that young people read approximately half as much as young people did before the advent of the internet and videogames. While there are enormous bookstores, teeming with books, chain stores and online book dealing now dominate the book trade and it may be that there are fewer booksellers overall. A lot of fine books are published but, on the whole, publishers push for the predictable profit far more than they used to, which means they prefer predictable books. Editors are no longer permitted to make decisions on their own. They must consult marketing departments before buying a book. Book production has become ever more like television production: subordinate to trendiness, and the anxiety of executives. <br/><br />And in my opinion this is partly because a generation intellectually concussed by the impact of the internet and other hyperactive, attention-deficit media, is assumed, probably rightly, to want superficial reading. 
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I know people earnestly involved in producing dramas for iPod download and transmission to iPhones. Obviously, productions of that sort are oriented to small images in easy-to-absorb bites. Episodes are often only a few minutes long. Or even shorter. Broadband drama, produced to be seen on the internet, is also attention-deficit-oriented. I've written for episodic television and have known the frustration of writers told to cut their "one hour" episodes down to 42 minutes, so that more commercials can be crammed in. Losing ten minutes of drama takes a toll on the writing of a one hour show &mdash; just imagine the toll taken by being restricted to three-minute episodes.  Story development becomes staccato, pointlessly violent (because that translates well to the form), childishly melodramatic, simple minded to the extreme. 
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All this may be an extension of the basic communication format forged by the internet: email, chatrooms, instant messages, board postings, blogs. Email is usually telegraphic in form, compact, and without the literary feel that letters once had; communication in chatrooms is reduced to soundbites that will fit into the little message window and people are impatient in chatrooms, unwilling to wait as a long sentence is formulated; instant messages are even more compressed, superficial, and not even in real English; board postings may be lengthier but if they are, no one reads them. <br /><br />Same goes for blogs. They'd better be short thoughts or &mdash; for the most part &mdash; few will trouble to read them. The internet is always tugging at you to move on, surf on, check this and that, talk to three people at once. How do you maintain long thoughts, how do you stretch out intellectually, in those conditions? Sometimes at places like The Well, perhaps, people are more thoughtful. But in general, online readers are prone to be attention challenged. 
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Reading at one's computer is, also, not as comfortable as reading a book in an armchair &mdash; so besides the distractions, it's simply a drag to spend a lot of time reading a single document online. But people spend a great deal of time and energy online, time and energy which is then not available for that armchair book. Occasionally someone breaks the rules and puts long stories online, as <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/01/sf-writer-rudy-rucker-everything-is-computation/">Rudy Rucker</a> has done, admirably well, posting new stories by various writers at flurb.net. But for the most part, the internet is inimical to stretching out, literarily.
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The genie is out of the bottle, and we cannot go back. But it would be well if people did not misrepresent the literary value of writing for the internet.
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<blockquote>John Shirley was the original cyberpunk SF writer, but he also writes in other genres including horror. He wrote the original script for <em>The Crow</em> and has written for television including <em>Deep Space Nine,</em> <em>Max Headroom,</em> and <em>Poltergeist: The Legacy.</em> <br /><br />His books include the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930235003?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1930235003">Eclipse Trilogy,</a> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0843945257?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0843945257">Wetbones,</a> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587671506?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1587671506">The Other End</a> and his latest &mdash; a short story collection <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080955786X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=080955786X">Living Shadows: Stories: New &#038; Preowned.</a> He writes lyrics for Blue Oyster Cult. Shirley's own online indulgence is his site <a href="http://www.signsofwitness.com">Signs of Witness.</A></blockquote>
<br /><br />

<strong>Michael Simmons</strong><br /><br />
Concerning the internet, yes, many thoughts. None of them good.
<br /><br />
The advent of personal computers has been ruinous. Empowering, my ass. Suddenly everyone's a writer. As someone who's been a professional writer my entire life, I now sit for hours every day and answer e-mails. I don't mind if the subject has substance, like this, but the onslaught of e-media, e-spam, e-requests for money, stupid e-jokes, e-advertisements, etc., is painful. I'm chained to a machine. Editors say they simply can't respond to all the e-mails they receive. Telephonic communication was quicker and easier.  
<br /><br />
Used to be I sat at an alphabet keyboard (called typewriters in my day) when I had an assignment or inspiration. Now it's all I do. Go to a library?  Why?  You can get what you need on the internet. Which means I've been suffering from Acute Cabin Fever since 1999 (when I tragically signed up for internet access). Sure, I <em>could</em> get off my ass and go to a library, but the internet is like heroin. Why take a walk in the park when you can boot up and find beauty behind your eyelids or truth from the MacBook?  (Interesting that the term 'boot-up' is junkie-speak.)
<br /><br />
I only got a word processor in 1990. I used a typewriter until then. My writing was no different before I could instantly re-write. I had to think about what I was going to write before applying fingertip to key. Now I'm terribly careless. I make mistakes that I never made pre-processing. Certainly literature hasn't improved (nor has art, music, film or anything else). Instead of reading Charles Olson or Rimbaud or Melville or Voltaire or Terry Southern, now people spend all day playing with their computers and endless varieties of applications. <br /><br />I hear my friends &mdash; all smart &mdash; kvelling about some new piece of software. You'd think they'd cured cancer. We're a planet of marks getting our bank accounts skimmed by Bill Gates and Steven Jobs. Gates and Jobs (and <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/07/03/steve-wozniak-v-stephen-colbert-and-other-pranks/">yer pal Woz)</a> ought to be disemboweled &mdash; yes, <em>on</em> the internet &mdash; and their carcasses left to rot on www.disemboweledcyberthieves.com.   
<br /><br />
Furthermore, I get nauseous thinking of the days, weeks, months I've spent on the phone with tech support. All these robber baron geeks are loaded, yet they can't even perfect the goddamn things.   
<br /><br />
The world of LOL and iirc and this hideous perpetual junior high language has not encouraged quality-lit. Have you looked at my former employer the <em>L.A. Weekly</em> lately?  It's created by illiterates promoting bad and overpriced music, art, film, etc. There's a glut of so-called writers and if they're 22 and have big tits, many editors will give them work before I get any. It's no coincidence that my payments and assignments for freelancing have diminished in the last 8 years.
<br /><br />
I was a happy nappy-takin' pappy 'fore the advent of these glorified television sets. Now my eyes hurt at the end of every day from the glow of the monitor. RU, I'm not happy that you &mdash; a brilliant man who has kept Yippie spirit alive &mdash; promote these contraptions. I didn't even have a phone answering machine until 1988 when I was 33. Everything was better before this glut of machinery entered my life. It's quadrupled my monthly bills and swamps me with useless information. <br /><br />No, it hasn't fired my imagination but, yes, I can't get no satisfaction. 
<br /><br />

<blockquote>Michael Simmons edited the <em>National Lampoon</em> in the ‘80s. He has written for <em>LA Weekly, LA Times, Rolling Stone, High Times,</em> and <em>The Progressive.</em> Currently, he blogs for Huffington Post and he and Tyler Hubby are shooting a documentary on the Yippies</em>
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<br /><br />

<strong>Edward Champion</strong> <br /><br />
The Internet is good for writers for several reasons: What was once a rather clunky process of querying by fax, phone, and snail-mail has been replaced by the mad, near-instantaneous medium of e-mail, where the indolent are more easily sequestered from the industrious.  The process is, as it always was, one of long hours, haphazard diets, and rather bizarre forms of self-promotion.  But clips are easily linkable.  Work can be more readily distributed.  And if a writer maintains a blog, there is now a more regular indicator of a writer's thought process.  <br /><br />The stakes have risen.  Everyone who wishes to survive in this game must operate at some peak and preternatural efficiency.  Since the internet is a ragtag, lightning-fast glockenspiel where thoughts, both divine and clumsy, are banged out swifter with mad mallets more than any medium that has preceded it, an editor can get a very good sense of what a writer is good for and how he makes mistakes.  While it is true that this great speed has come at the expense of long-form pieces and even months-long reporting, I believe the very limitations of this current system are capable of creating ambition rather than stifling it. <br /><br />If the internet was committing some kind of cultural genocide for any piece of writing that was over twenty pages, why then has the number of books published increased over the past fifteen years?  Some of the old-school types, like John Updike, have decried the ancillary and annotated aspects of the Internet, insisting that there is nothing more to talk about than the book.  But if a book is a unit transmitting information from one person to another, then why ignore those on the receiving end?  For are they not part of this process?   Writing has been talked about ever since Johann Gutenberg's great innovation caused many classical works to be disseminated into the public consciousness, and thus spawned the Renaissance.  <br /><br />What we are now experiencing may have an altogether different scale, but it is not different in effect.  The profusion of written thoughts and emotions is certainly overwhelming, but the true writer is likely to be a skillful and highly selective reader, and thus has many jewels to select from, to be inspired by, to be wowed by, and to otherwise cause the truly ambitious to carry forth with passion and a whip-smart disposition.<br />

<blockquote>Edward Champion's work has appeared in <em>The LA Times, Chicago Sun-Times</em>, and <em>Newsday,</em> as well as more disreputable publications. <br /><br />His Bat Segundo podcast &mdash; which you can find at his website at edrants.com &mdash; has featured interviews with the likes of T.C. Boyle, Brett Easton Elllis, Octavio Butler, John Updike, Richard Dawkins, Amy Sedaris, David Lynch, Martin Amis, and William Gibson.</blockquote><br />




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<BR /><BR />
<B>See Also:</b><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/14/how-the-internet-disorganizes-everything/">How The Internet Disorganizes Everything</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/08/cory-doctorow-overclocked-ru-sirius-interview/">When Cory Doctorow Ruled The World</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/05/david-sedaris-exaggerates-for-us-all/">David Sedaris Exaggerates For Us All</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/14/ipod-levy-the-perfect-thing-interview/">How The iPod Changes Culture</A><br />

<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/21/bible-rushkoff-testament/">Thou Shalt Realize the Bible Kicketh Ass</A>



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		<title>Rodney Brooks&#8217; Robots are Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[He's an MIT Professor of Robotics and the CTO of iRobot Corporation &#8212; and this video catches him asking the ultimate question about the coming robotics revolution.  <strong>By&#160;RU&#160;Sirius</strong><br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>On September 8  the world's geekiest geeks</strong> gathered at San Francisco's Palace of Fine Arts to talk about what happens if/when we make machines that are smarter than we are. 10ZM.TV was there just in case The Singularity came early, though as far as we could tell, things are more or less the same as they were a few weeks ago. So we think it's still safe to flip off your TV when Geraldo comes on.
<br /><br />
We captured several of the guest speakers on video, as well as several esteemed members of the audience, and we'll present them here over the next few weeks.  For our first presentation we snared Rodney Brooks, a Professor of Robotics at MIT and co-founder and Chief Technical Officer of iRobot Corporation.<br /><br /><!--adsense-->
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Professor Brooks strolled into the Singularity Summit with a headful of robots.  For the last twenty years there's been a squadron of 1,000 one-kilogram robots in his head, capable of doing the work of NASA's two-ton Mars Explorer robots.  In the decades that followed his influential paper &mdash; "Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control" &mdash; he's grappled with a coming robotics revolution &mdash; and its implications for humanity.<br /><br />
Will robots be weaponized?  Will their personalities adhere to the Geneva Convention?
And what about the dangers of nanotechnology machines? <Br /><br />
10ZM.TV captured Brooks' thoughts on artificial intelligence, synthetic biology, and the ultimate question &mdash; what makes something alive?


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<B>See Also:</b><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/19/official-launch-10zm-tv/">Rudy Rucker on Computation</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/14/michael-crook-settlement-apology/">"Dear Internet, I'm Sorry"</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/19/joe-quirk-author-singularity-sociobiology-sex/">Why Chicks Don't Dig The Singularity</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/14/how-the-internet-disorganizes-everything/">How the Internet Disorganizes Everything</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/18/give-me-immortality-or-give-me-death/">Give Me Immortality or Give Me Death</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/09/whatever-happened-to-virtual-reality/">Whatever Happened To Virtual Reality?</A><br />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>The NoSo Project: No Social Networking</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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<strong>Does all this so-called social networking crap</strong> make you wish people would stop being so fucking friendly?  Do you long to disconnect? Artists Christina Ray and Kurt Bigenho, and web developer Gilbert Guerrero, joined me on the RU Sirius Show to talk about their art project, NoSo (short for No Social Networking), which is here to fulfill your need for greater social isolation. This is how they describe it on their video introduction on the NoSo website: 
<br /><br />

<blockquote>
Welcome to NoSo. NoSo is a real-world platform for temporary disengagement from your social networking environment. The NoSo experience allows you to create No connections, by scheduling No events, with No friends. You may be asking yourself, "Why do I need NoSo?" As someone who's online 24/7, you have a lot to keep up with. When you're not blogging, your vlogging. When you're not vlogging, you're podcasting. When you're not podcasting, you're Skyping, texting, IM-ing, dating, trading, sharing, subscribing, downloading, updating, linking, approving, adding, checking, sending... I think you get the picture. 
<br /><br />
Sometimes, you need a break. Sometimes, you need NoSo.</blockquote>
<br /><br />


Ray and Bigenho checked into the show via Skype from New York City and Guerrero joined us live from our studio in San Francisco. 
<br /><br />

<blockquote>To listen the full interview in MP3, <a href="http://www.rusiriusradio.com/2007/07/25/show-120-just-say-noso-no-social-networking/">click here</a>.</blockquote>
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<strong>RU SIRIUS:</strong> Please explain the basics of what happens, or what <em>not</em> happens, in a NoSo.
<br /><br />
<strong>CHRISTINA RAY:</strong> We invite people to take a break from their every day experiences carrying around laptops and cellphones, and give them the chance to just disengage from the noise, the social network, the constant communication that's going on around us all the time. We let them just experience the absence of that &mdash; the feeling of being without all those distractions. And a NoSo could happen in a number of different places. It could happen on a street corner, or in a cafe, or in an installation in a gallery setting. 
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<strong>KURT BIGENHO:</strong> In a NoSo, you schedule a time when people will be in a destination through our web site, but you're not meant to engage with anyone while you're there. You're meant to have your private experience within this larger social thing.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> This is sort of an anti-flash mob. But at the same time, it's sort of like a flash mob, isn't it?
<br /><br />
<strong>KB:</strong> Yeah. People have termed it an inverted flash mob or an anti-flash mob. Because we do allows people to schedule an experience &mdash; and then we kind of call it a non-experience. We're playing with metaphors of connectivity versus non-connectivity. And it's sort of a network that is there but also is <em>not</em> there at the same time.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Are any of you familiar with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&#038;keywords=brian%20eno&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;index=music&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Brian Eno</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />'s concept of a nightclub where everybody just goes and sits in silence?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Yes. <em>(Laughs)</em>  There may be some similarity there.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG> Brian Eno is definitely a personal hero. I love that concept.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So Christina, aside from making fun of social networking, do you
also do it?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Oh, absolutely. <em>(Laughs)</em>  We're a highly connected unconnected project, if you will.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So you'd say that you're ambivalent about social networking?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Yes. I think you could say that.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I think I read in Christina's biography that all your artwork is really involved with exploring space &mdash; sort of exploring urban space. Can you talk about some of the ways in which you've done that, and how they connect to the current project?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Through street photography, I became interested in the concept of psycho-geography, which relates to how your urban environment affects you and vice versa. <br /><br />I was doing that for several years &mdash; looking for new ways to explore the city. So I came across experiments that people were doing using alternative mapping techniques &mdash; maps that they created on their own. People were doing sort-of map mashups and creating interesting ways to explore the city. <BR /><BR />It started because I was looking for new places to photograph. Since then, I've done a number of public space projects that deal with mapping and collaborating &mdash; sort of using the people who are on the streets to participate in a project or instigate actions. It's created a number of different collaborations. And this is really just the most current one, because what we're trying to do is use the space of the city to allow people to have a new experience.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> It all sort of reminds me of the Dérive going back to the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0939682044?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0939682044">Situationists.</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0939682044" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> They sponsored these sort of freeform wanderings all over the urban terrain, many years ago. Gilbert, describe your experience with NoSo.
<br /><br />
<strong>Gilbert Guerrero</strong>: Well, NoSo headquarters is sort of at the Southern Exposure gallery here in San Francisco. And we had a zone there that was kind of blocked off or cordoned off as a place to disconnect. Once you walked into that zone, you have to turn everything off. The experience was actually sort of amazing.
<br /><br />
I'm a contractor, so I spend a lot of my time working in cafes &mdash;  you know, changing environments, working on my laptop. And at Ritual Cafe here in San Francisco, you'll walk in and see fifty people in there all facing their laptops and nobody is talking to anybody else.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Environments like that were part of the inspiration for this project. For example, at the South by Southwest conference or other technology conferences, you'll have two or three hundred people sitting in a room together, and everyone is listening to a presentation, texting, chatting, sending emails... all at the same time. 
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG> …Blogging about it....
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> ...IMing &mdash; everything!  All at the same time!  While they're trying to listen to a presentation!  So there's this meta-level of connection going on, even when you're sitting in a crowded room full of people. I think that's funny. And at the same time, it points to a lot of larger issues about how technology is affecting us.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Do you get a lot of participants in these events… or not-events?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG> We've had a pretty good number of registrants. A lot of people write in saying, "Hey, we're in Toronto" or "We're in Mexico City. Can we do a NoSo there?" We set it up so that it's local. It was launched in San Francisco, and all of the NoSo's take place in San Francisco. So we've had interest from around the world. People want to collaborate and open it up and allow other people to have NoSos. Everyone's talking about social networking, and websites are being relaunched incorporating video, podcasting, and what have you. So I think by taking the antithesis of that &mdash; providing a sort of a counterpoint &mdash; we hit a nerve.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> There's this odd thing about the economics of "Web 2.0." It's very  convenient for the people who own all these companies. Because basically, they set up a thoroughfare and then people pay to provide the content that they then pay to experience. Are you, in some ways, parodying that economic relationship?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> In a way. The project has kind of an emptiness about it. You have a user profile with not much information in it. You have a social network with no friends. You have a photograph that's not you. So it's sort of the opposite of a lot of these social networking sites. There's no money to be made from it. It sort of subverts the common Web 2.0 experience.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Do you get interesting responses from people about the experiences that they've had as a result of going to these?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG> Yeah. Some people felt sort-of refreshed or energized. They came out and they wanted to chat about their experience. They wanted to talk to people, and made a few phone calls. It's almost a Zen-like experience for people. 
<br /><br />
<STRONG>GG:</STRONG> I know a few people who actually felt intimidated by the experience. It's not quite snubbing someone else, but it's close to that. Maybe it's aggressive to not say something to somebody.
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<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> I got feedback from some people who said they felt it was like being in an elevator. It's sort of awkward, and you're not really sure what to do. You want to look at your phone, or do something. That awkward experience was common.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Kurt, tell us about your earlier projects &mdash; The Sams and The Organizers. Is there a relationship between those ideas and what you're doing with NoSo?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG> The Sams was a project that Christina and I did at something called Art Basel Miami Beach in 2006. We formed a group called The Organizers to develop a project that involved participation, organization, and getting people into interesting interactions with an audience, in real time and real space &mdash; out in the world. The idea for the project was essentially to clone Samuel Keller, who is the director and the most ubiquitous figure in the event. So we created a series of kits &mdash; a hundred kits that we handed out at a cloning ceremony in a gallery. And they allowed you to sort of transform yourself into Sam Keller. And the kit included a t-shirt, instructions, a fake badge, and a bald cap &mdash; because Samuel is bald. So it was kind of a humorous concept that involved creating a group &mdash; kind of an instant army who could go out into the social scene of Art Basel, which is very much about going to the right parties and the right events… getting on the list. So we wanted to have some fun with that. We were encouraging people to infiltrate the scene, in a sense, and to do it as this kind of shared identity. 
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So everybody could say that this fellow who was popular on the scene was at their party tonight, no matter where their party was. I think Andy Warhol used to do something like that in New York City.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>KB:</STRONG>  Exactly. Yeah.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> We had <a href="http://www.rusiriusradio.com/2006/02/07/show-33-get-an-interior-life/">V. Vale</a> from ReSearch Publications on The RU Sirius Show a couple of times. And his main theme was that we no longer have interior lives because we're so completely mediated. Is this part of what you guys are trying to challenge as well?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>GG:</STRONG> That's something I've been doing a lot more thinking about. I know that I get tons of spam in my Inbox. I work full time in San Francisco as a developer and as an artist. I'm constantly promoting all kinds of things, and associating myself with other organizations. So if you type my name into Google, there are pages of stuff about me. That's kind of scary. So I want to go backwards now and reverse that whole thing about the importance of identity on the internet &mdash; to try to squash that. <BR /><BR />In a way, NoSo is doing that, because you can be anonymous there. You can participate without letting anybody know who you are or why you're there.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Do a lot of people sit there and read books, by any chance? V. Vale is very adamant that people need to read more books. Of course, he sells books!
<br /><br />
<STRONG>CR:</STRONG> Sometimes when you're in a NoSo, you're not actually sure who else is there. If you have a profile on our calendar, you can schedule a NoSo. So if you decide to have your NoSo at a Cafe, you'll show up and you might be reading a book. But it's unclear who the other participants are, and what they're doing. <BR /><BR />That was one of the original inspirations for the project &mdash; a kind of hiding in public space. Not only are you not using your devices, but you're also not sure who else is in on the joke, or in on the secret. So you might be reading a book, you might be just sitting on a park bench lurking on the corner, window shopping &mdash; whatever it is &mdash; all the while you're participating in a NoSo.
<br /><br />
<strong>See also:</strong>
<br />
<a href="http://nosoproject.com">The NoSo Project website</a><br />
<a href="http://wearethesams.com/">The Sams</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/14/how-the-internet-disorganizes-everything/">How The Internet Disorganizes Everything</a> <br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/06/a-conversation-with-justin-kan-of-justintv/">A Conversation with Justin Kan of Justin.tv </a> <br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/16/twittering-the-twitter-revolution/">Twittering the Twitter Revolution</a> <br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/18/good-griefers-fortuny-v-crook/">Good Griefers: Fortuny v. Cook </a> <br />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Web Fight: Wikipedia, YouTube vs. Perverted Justice</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the group behind "Dateline: To Catch a Predator" gunning for the internet itself? <strong>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</strong><br />]]></description>
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<strong>Their name is "Perverted Justice"</strong> &mdash; and something strange happens when you follow hyperlinks to their site from Wikipedia.<BR /><BR />"Hello Wikipedia Visitor!" it announces. "We've listed Wikipedia as a Corporate Sex Offender for quite some time..."
<BR /><BR />
The site's server re-directs any visitors from the online encyclopedia  to a page warning that "there's a few facts you should know about Wikipedia as a foundation itself."  Then it lays down an inflammatory attack.
<BR />
<blockquote>
Each article on Wikipedia that deals with any issue relating to
pedophiles or internet predators has been heavily targeted and edited by
the online pedophile activist movement...  Our own article on Wikipedia, which you have
likely come from, has been edited by known and outed pedophile activists dozens and dozens of
times.
</blockquote>
<BR />
NBC's Dateline <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/02/the-perversions-of-%E2%80%9Cperverted-justice%E2%80%9D/">works with "Perverted Justice"</A> to create an ongoing series of reports exposing pedophiles
(called "To Catch a Predator.")  But the group has apparently broadened its list of targets.
Their site notes that Wikipedia remained ungrateful when Perverted Justice
helpfully pointed out which Wikipedia editors they thought were pedophiles.
So the group launched an online campaign to raise public awareness...
<BR />
<blockquote>
"With Wikipedia continuing to try to get their project used in classrooms
across the world, it's important to note the danger inherent in the
public accepting the project as being factual considering their
acceptance of even extremist special interests such as pedophile
activists as legitimate editors of their 'encyclopedia.'"
</blockquote>
<BR /><BR />


Sunday Wikipedia reacted to the announcement &mdash; though not without <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ANI#Perverted_Justice">a tremendous debate.</A>
<BR /><BR />
"I've just gone through Perverted-Justice and removed all outbound links
to their site..." announced a Wikipedia administrator named Sarah.  (After temporarily
locking the entry from being edited.)  Another editor pointed out that
the site was clearly an attack site, and "There's no place for ideological witchhunts
on Wikipedia," while a third editor suggested a temporary blacklisting of the
site.
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<br /><br />
But more viewpoints joined the discussion.  A fourth editor asked
"Is there some reason why we're trying to hide criticism from a legitimate and active organisation?"
Noting that Wikipedia
<I>does</i> accept pedophiles as editors, they asked "Why are we trying to hide this
fact and label the site that respectfully and politely points that out as some kind of vicious attack site?"
Another editor shared an interesting detail.  One week ago, Perverted Justice founder Xavier Von Erck was 
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XavierVE">blocked indefinitely</A> from any editing of Wikipedia articles
<BR /><BR />
The discussion continued over the next 48 hours...
<BR /><BR />
<blockquote>
"Ten thousands people are being slandered because we refuse to acquiesce to his point of view in our articles and policies? Wonderful."
<BR /><BR />
"[T]his is America, and P-J has every right to criticize Wikipedia in general for what they see as failings of the project."
<BR /><BR />
"I just don't see how this can be treated any differently than a rant on some mildly successful blog."</blockquote>
<BR /><BR />

One editor even posted an email about the controversy, saying it came from Xavier Von Erck himself. The email lent a fierce new perspective to the debate.

<BR /><blockquote>
We're quite pleased with the links being removed from Wikipedia. This
will do two things.  One, it will reduce the Google relevancy of the
Wikipedia article about us, an article rife with error and editors whose
sole purpose is to try to use Wikipedia to attack us. Secondly, having
the article without links to our organization but links to other
organizations that attack us will make the average person, unaware of
the problems of Wikipedia, wonder why the hell the article has such a
overt bias. 
<BR /><BR />

Lastly, the idea that websites cannot "respond" to a Wikipedia article
by redirecting is quite curious. The policy itself is nonsensical. It is
Wikipedia saying that their editors, no matter who they are, can write
whatever they wish about a subject and that subject has no right of
response. 'Tis an unjust, silly policy and one we have no interest in
cooperating with. 
</blockquote>
<BR />
Ultimately, Wikipedia compromised.  They kept all of their pointers to the
Perverted-Justice site &mdash; but not as hyperlinks.  This meant
Wikipedia's readers would have to cut-and-paste the URLs into their browser
to access the Perverted-Justice site &mdash; which would pull up the
requested page rather than re-directing the users to an anti-Wikipedia
announcement.  
<BR /><BR />
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But Perverted Justice left their announcement online anyways, pointing
its readers to another site called "Corporate Sex Offenders
.com."
<BR /><BR />
In fact, Wikipedia was the sole reason that Perverted Justice created their "Corporate Sex Offenders"
site in February, according to their announcement.  The site lists two web companies
as "aggressive corporate sex offenders" &mdash; YouTube and LiveJournal.  While applauding YouTube for removing
some "advocates" of pedophilia, their page argues that YouTube "is still rife with pedophiles and predators on
their service."  (And they add that YouTube has yet to clarify
their policies for pedophiles.)  LiveJournal's offense is similar,
according to the site &mdash; they've failed to delete the accounts of
pedophiles.   "LiveJournal is as welcoming of pedophiles as
they are kids, adults and teens."
<BR /><BR />
Their <a href="http://www.corporatesexoffenders.com/?archive=154">Wikipedia page</A> also alleges that one pro-pedophile activist labelled Wikipedia's pedphilia page
an "important platform for us," since it's Google's top search result.
(And that Wikipedia founder <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/ -">Jimmy 
Wales</A> once personally banned a pedophile editor.)  It concludes with a condemnation of 
Wikipedia for having a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy about pedophilia.  
<BR /><BR />
And then it includes their list of Wikipedia's suspected pedophile editors.<BR /><BR />
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<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/02/the-perversions-of-“perverted-justice”/ ">The Perversions of "Perverted Justice</A><BR />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Monkey v. Dog v. Wikipedia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cruel fights between monkeys and dogs are documented in a Wikipedia article, but on the site another fight-to-the-death erupts. <strong>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</strong><br />]]></description>
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<br /><br />


<strong>A monkey versus a dog.</strong>  Who would win in a fight?
<br /><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/">Wikipedia</a> has the answer, but sometimes being a source of such answers comes at a price.
<br /><br />
As with seemingly every other topic on the site, an anonymous expert sprung from the <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/14/how-the-internet-disorganizes-everything/">grass roots</a> to detail the fascinating, hidden history of prizefights between dogs and monkeys. "A quite unusual fight between two animals was staged in Worcester," read his description of one fight, taken from an obscure magazine article from 1799.  
<br /><br />
<blockquote>
The wager stood at three guineas, according to which the dog would kill the monkey in at most six minutes. The dog's owner agreed that the monkey would be allowed to defend itself with a stick about a foot long. 
<br /><br />
Hundreds of spectators gathered to witness this fight and the odds stood at eight, nine and even ten to one in favour of the dog, which could scarcely be subdued before the fight. The monkey's owner took a stick, about twelve inches long, from his coat pocket, tossed it to the monkey...</blockquote>

<br /><br />
There's even an illustration &mdash; titled "Battle of the Bulldog and the Monkey" (above) &mdash; from 1799.  <br /><br />So who won the fight?
<br /><br />
The monkey.
<br /><br />

<blockquote>
The monkey was amazingly nimble, jumped about three feet high in the air and when it came down landed directly on the dog's back, bit firmly in the dog's neck, grabbed his opponent's left ear with his hand thereby preventing the dog from turning his head to bite him.<br /><br />

In this totally surprising situation the monkey now began to work over the dog's head
with his club and he pounded so forcefully and relentlessly on the dog's skull that the poor creature cried out loudly...
</blockquote>
<br /><br />

Eventually the dog's corpse is carried from the ring.  (<I>"Yet, the monkey was only of medium size...."</i>) Yes, it's a cruel fight-to-the-death.  What's more surprising is that someone in 1799 went to the trouble of carving an engraving to commemorate the event. (Hey, 18th-century dog-fighters &mdash; get a life!)  
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<br /><br />
Then again, back here in the 21st century, Wikipedia editors would pick apart a description of the event sentence by sentence in a dog-fight of their own. Reading the article's "History" page ultimately offers its own morbid spectator sport.  In a six-part, 1400-word entry, user SirIsaacBrock (according to his user page, a Canadian MBA) first described recreational "monkey baiting" in March of 2006 &mdash; and was unaware that his status as a Wikipedia editor would soon come to an end.
<br /><br />
"Monkey-baiting is a blood sport involving the baiting of monkeys," his original entry began &mdash; linking the words "blood sport," "baiting," and "monkeys."  Within two weeks another Wikipedia user had tagged the article with a warning flag.
<br /><br />
<blockquote>
It is proposed that this article be deleted, because of the following concern:
<br /><br />
    <em>this seems like nonsense</em>
</blockquote>

<br /><br />
The user was later reassured by Sir Isaac's involvement in another full-scale  WikiProject &mdash; documenting various forms of animal baiting &mdash; and left an apology on Sir Isaac's own Wikipedia discussion page.   (Six days later, another user would also add: "Thanks for the correction in Badger Baiting...")  In fact, there's a whole series of Wikipedia articles, on everything from duck baiting to rat baiting and donkey baiting.
<br /><br />
"Badger-baiting is a blood sport involving the baiting of badgers."
<br /><br />
"Donkey-baiting is a blood sport involving the baiting of donkeys...."
<br /><br />
But the monkey-baiting page remained controversial. Sir Isaac presented an 1820 description of a second monkey/dog fight &mdash; this time between a dog and Jacco Macacco, "a celebrated monkey gladiator" who could dispatch opponents in 3 minutes.
<br /><br />
<blockquote>
    "What a monster!" said a greasy butcher, who sat there with open mouth, a red nightcap on his head,
	pointing at Jacco Macacco. "I bet a leg of mutton on the monkey! You could strike me down if I ever
	saw such a thing before in my life... "
</blockquote>

<br /><br />
"It is amazing how many owners would send their dogs to almost certain death," Sir Isaac had written.  
<br /><br />
"This strikes me as unwiki," another editor complained, saying it was not objective fact, and adding, "I personally do not find it 'amazing.'"
<br /><br />
Another user complained about the article's "wholy innapropriate origional research [sic]."  Of course, research about 18th-century animal fights is hard to find &mdash; and a year later, the article remains online, a testament to one user's dedication to his personal topic of interest.
<br /><br />

Within four months of creating his page about monkey/dog fights, a warning appeared on his user page saying he'd been identified as "the puppet master of one or more abusive or block/ban-evading sock puppets." (Sock puppets are deceptive online identities.) He has since been banned from Wikipedia.
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<br /><br />
In a way, it's ironic.  SirIsaacBrock was a man who could tell you who'd win in a fight between a hunting dog and a rage-filled monkey &mdash; but he couldn't stay online against a handful of Wikipedia editors. Will he be hard to replace?  How many amateur historians are available with an interest in monkey-baiting? 
<br /><br />
We can only hope that his obsessive and self-destructive work will inspire a new generation of Wikipedians to continue to monitor this deserving subject matter. Or, better yet, perhaps there's another sock puppet out there at this very moment, waiting to ambush us with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey-baiting">latest and greatest in monkey-baiting</a>.
<br /><br />
<B>See Also:</b><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/">Jimmy Wales Will Destroy Google</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/05/john-edwards-virtual-attackers-unmasked/">John Edwards' Virtual Attackers Unmasked</A><br />
<A HREF="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/14/michael-crook-settlement-apology/">Dear Internet, I'm Sorry</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/28/ten-video-moments-from-2006/">10 Video Moments from 2006</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/27/worst-vlogs-of-2006/ ">Worst Vlogs of 2006</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/11/the-cartoon-porn-shop-janitor-carol-burnett-vs-family-guy/">The Cartoon Porn Shop Janitor: Carol Burnett vs. Family Guy</A>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Steve Wozniak v. Stephen Colbert &#8212; and Other Pranks</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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<strong> Steve Wozniak showed up</strong> at our San Francisco studio riding in fine style… on a Segway. He had told me via email that he would just park anywhere in the city, and I imagined this multimillionaire going to some exclusive garage where he has a permanent spot and then flagging down a taxi. But since he was the Segway's first customer, I imagine that his riding skills – by now – would allow him to easily beat a Yellow Cab across town, particularly on a day that featured a gay pride parade and a Giants game.
<br /><br />
The legendary Apple inventor was much in circulation this winter and spring, promoting his hit autobiography, written with Gina Smith, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393061434?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0393061434">iWoz: From Computer Geek to Cult Icon: How I Invented the Personal Computer, Co-Founded Apple, and Had Fun Doing It</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0393061434" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />. When we had Smith on our NeoFiles podcast a few months back to talk about the book, <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/07/apple-wozniak-biographer-interview-smith/">she told us</A> that all Wozniak ever wanted to talk about was the pranks he'd pulled. So we figured we'd give him his big break and invited him to come on the show to talk pranksterism.
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<br /><br />
We <em>did</em> get to talk a bit about technology as well. But, sorry to say, that other Steve apparently never gave him a free iPhone to play with, and this was prior to his heroic crowd management stint during the iPhone release at the Apple store in Santa Clara, so Wozniak had little to say about the greatest thing since… <em>the Segway?</em> (OK. That was uncalled for. Sorry.) 
<br /><br />
Futurist <a href="http://openthefuture.com">Jamais Cascio</a> joined me in conversing with Woz. Cascio helped to start WorldChanging, a site dedicated to Open Source problem-solving that often focuses on solutions to global warming. After the show, they started talking about that situation and it transpired that Wozniak is, in Cascio's words, "a bit of a climate-change denialist." Cascio and Wozniak have agreed, in theory, to a brief email discourse on the topic for <em>10 Zen</em> (although it seems that we have more enthusiasm for this than they do.) We hope that this will be forthcoming.
<br /><br />
<blockquote>To listen the full interview in MP3, <a href="http://mondoglobo.net/neofiles/show-83-steve-wozniak-talks-about-his-favorite-pranks/">click here</a>.</blockquote>
<br /><br />

<strong>"I Took Him (Colbert) Down!"</strong>
<br /><br />

<strong>RU SIRIUS:</strong> You've been touring and appearing on behalf of your bio. You even got to face Colbert…
<br /><br />
<strong>STEVE WOZNIAK:</strong> Not only did I get to face him, I boasted to a <em>San Francisco Chronicle</em> reporter two days before the show that I was going to take him down. I'm usually pretty witty about turning conversations my way. Anyway, she quoted me in her blog. So now I'm heading out to Stephen Colbert's show with a blog on the internet saying I'm going to take him down. Man, I played so many good pranks on him backstage.
<br /><br />

And I took him down on the show! I didn't plan it.  I figured, I'm going to be a punching bag. This guy is good. But I knew they were going to treat me with kid gloves by the pre-interview they did over the phone. He asked one wrong question. He asked, "Have you pulled any pranks lately?" I said, "Well, I take my steak knife onto airplanes." And that was the line that caught him wavering &mdash; "Do I go my way, or do you I go your way?" And he sort of went my way a bit. He said, "I'll get you on a list." I said, "I <em>want</em> to be on the list!  Anyone who knows me knows I'd <em>love</em> to be on all the lists there are."  And I managed to pull these thin metal credit cards that are thin as a knife out of my pocket. And I <m>do</em> cut steak on airplanes with 'em. And I think he sat there just twiddling his hand without anything to say because he was worried that we had crossed over into homeland security… you know, a crime reported on television!

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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> He definitely looked confounded. And you say you were goofing on him in the green room as well?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Oh my gosh!  I was sort of trying to let him know my personality. So you know how at the Presidential Press Corps Dinner, Stephen Colbert was the host and he came on and said, "Oh my god, I got to sit right next to the man! President Bush!" So I walked up to him and I said, "Oh my god!  I get to meet and touch the man himself!  How nice to meet you, Mr. Stewart." And then I pulled out some two dollar bills that I always carry around...
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I have pads of sheets of these bills. They're perforated like green <a href="http://www.123print.com/Stamps">stamps</a>. You can tear 'em off in ones, or twos, or threes or fours. And he grabbed it out of my hand and ran out to the hallway where there was more light. He held it up to the light. He was so concerned!  I'm thinking, "Why is he so concerned about something that I just use as a prank here and there?" And he's looking at it for the longest time, feeling the paper and analyzing the different pages. So he tells me that his brother works for the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, where they print the money on 14th street in Washington, D.C., which is where I buy these.
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<strong>Woz Punks the Secret Service</strong>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Now this is legitimate money that people assume is...
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> It meets the specs of the U.S. government, so by law, it is legal tender. The Secret Service has approved it three times. Why would they approve it if it's not legal?  I don't even know if it has the right President's face on it. And the serial numbers &mdash; there's something very suspicious about them. The bills &mdash; you can smell the ink is still fresh so don't get it on your finger. And I'll sell a sheet of four of them &mdash; that's $8 &mdash; for $5. But not very many people buy them from me. I start saying, "Since they cost me three, you're really buying $12 worth for $5. <em>(ed: we don't understand it either.)</em>  Only an idiot would turn that down."  And that's about the time they start thinking, maybe I won't buy them. And they won't buy 'em. I give myself a point if they don't buy 'em, because they <em>are</em> legal tender.  
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The Secret Service read me my Miranda rights once. And when they asked for an ID, I pulled out this ID that I'd used for every airplane flight for five years of my life. It says "Laser Safety Officer, Secretary of Defiance" (instead of Secretary of Defense) on the card, and in the photo I'm wearing an eye patch. <em>(laughter)</em> And the Secret Service didn't catch that it was a phony card!  They figured out that the bills were good and legal tender, too. <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/07/apple-wozniak-biographer-interview-smith/">Gina (Smith)</a> didn't put this one in the book!  A lot of my good prank stories didn't get in the book. That's the third book that I have planned.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Good lord. The things you can get away with when you're Steve Wozniak.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> You know, I think any actor and comedian that can just act like they're in the right can do it &mdash; that's mainly what it takes.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Bluffing is the main thing. Bluffing is social engineering, basically.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah. The attitude is, "What I'm doing is right," you know? And then it's real easy. People get real nervous and try to hide stuff when they think what they're doing is wrong.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Gina said some people buy the two dollar bills and don't think that they can use them.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Sometimes they buy them and think they should cash them in a real dark place, so they don't get caught.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>  Why do you think you wound up being such a prankster?

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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> It's because I was so shy in middle school and high school. I had to kind of have a way to have a presence. Everyone's born with an energy to socialize &mdash; to mix with other people. And when you're shy and can't talk to them; and they start to talk weird language that you don't want to be part of; and they're snooty about the people who are "in" and "out"; and you aren't part of that "in" group &mdash; it's very intimidating. So one of the ways I communicate is with pranks. 
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So, if you're at a party, do you do a prank to get attention?  Or...
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Oh no no...
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Or just to get <em>(laughs)</em> vengeance on the snobby people?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> No, its not that. But in my school days, I wasn't in the group that would ever get invited to a party. But I was kind of friendly with a lot of druggies back in the late 60s at our school. And they were "out"-ies and techies and all that. But I didn't go to their parties either. The way I thought about it &mdash; I looked at church, and I said, "You know what? Everybody goes to church and they're saying those same words together, and they're singing the same songs together. And they're just following the exact same ligature. Everybody's doing the same thing. I don't want to be a follower like that. I've got a brain!  I'm going to think out what is right and what's wrong, to do in the world. I don't need to be like everybody else and just follow their lines. Well, I extended that to parties and to that druggy peer group. We always talked about, "Don't conform!" Don't conform to the values of your parents.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Right. But on the other hand, everybody must get stoned.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> All the peers in our high school – everybody was going to the parties and doing the same things. And they were drinking because other people were. That's conforming. So I thought, if I'm going to drink, I'm going to drink all alone because I think it's something I want to do. And it kept me kind of clean, because I wouldn't just go out and do something because my group's doing it.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So there's an iconoclasm there. 
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Back to pranks…
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I have these professionally printed stickers that I've had made. They're done with this sort of foil-type stuff in the exact OSHA style and the OSHA colors. And it says, "Danger: Do Not Flush Over Cities."  And I put 'em in the bathrooms on airplanes...
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> <em>(Laughs)</em> I think I've <em>seen</em> that, actually. Do you fly Jet Blue?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yes, I have done it on Jet Blue.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I remember thinking about it and wondering what that was!
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> They're red with a black-shadowed airplane picture. The bathroom has a little seat fold-down. I fold that up and there's a sign in the middle of it saying, "Don't throw trash here." And I put my two little stickers behind it, so the stewardesses won't notice it right away. If they notice it right away they might realize that somebody put that there. But after a while, if they slowly get used to it, they'll stay on for years.
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I have another sticker that I made in OSHA style and colors. It's a yellow one. I put it in the backstage bathroom at the "Colbert Show." It has a little graphic of a butt with a poof coming out and it says, "Keep our air fresh."
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> In <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/12/a-selection-of-obscure-robert-anton-wilson-essays/">Robert Anton Wilson's</a> book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0440539811?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0440539811">The Illuminatus! Trilogy</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0440539811" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, there's this character, Markoff Cheney, who leaves weird bureaucratic commands in offices and places like that just to sort of boggle people's minds.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> That's almost like what I read about in the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/007028380X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=007028380X">The Pentagon Papers</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=007028380X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> – the psychological warfare. You kind of put out a message saying one thing, but it implies that something horrible is going to happen just because you're saying that it isn't going to happen. It triggers bad thought in people's mind.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Cognitive dissonance...
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> ...is a great weapon of war, and also of...
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> … comedy!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>  …guerilla pranksterism, and all those things. I guess you're indicating that pranks challenge conventional behavior.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Absolutely. I've always very much wanted to be a rebel, and against authority. Because if we just sort of accept authority, and never question it &mdash; we just go through a life without knowing what truth really is &mdash; thinking we know it all. Everybody reads the same headlines and sees the same seven-second soundbites on TV. And because they all know the same thing as everyone else, they're all in the right. "We are all intelligent." They're <em>not</em> intelligent. They just saw the same things and repeated it. You know? They're the ones who aren't intelligent. I mean, the definition of intelligence in schools is pretty much being able to know what every other kid in the school that has studied the book would say... and not to have original thought of your own.
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<strong>When Woz Convinced the Waitress He was "a Pavarotti"</strong>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Speaking of getting an education and then getting a shitty job, Gina told me a story about a prank on a waitress.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah... I did a prank on a waitress recently. And I put a lot more energy, time, and even money into my pranks than most people. I don't want all my pranks to be just the normal duds you play every day. You know, every comedian will have one gem of a joke for every ten duds. So I play little dinky pranks all day long. 
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But in this case, it was based on the fact that I have season tickets to Warriors' games and I had special passes for a special parking lot. So one time, I took a friend in the back seat of my car who didn't know I had the pass. And as I got to the window, I tell the guy there that we have the guy with us who's going to sing the national anthem. And then to embarrass him (the guy in the back seat), I'd say, "Sing a line for him!"  and the guy can't sing but they let us in anyway, and...
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So I had done this sort of prank a few times. And then I was at a restaurant in San Francisco, and I knew that I had four tickets for Saturday's game but I  wouldn't be there. So I asked the waitress, "Hey, you going to the game on Saturday? I'm singing the national anthem!" And she looked at me like I was the most important person she'd ever waited on. I didn't expect that, but now I had to play with it. When someone's mind is thinking something weird, or in a… I call that a creative state. You don't want to inhibit creativity. You want to keep it going. So you always say yes. So I said, "Oh!  I could probably get you some tickets from the Warriors staff &mdash; you know, if you want..." And then I said, "You want to hear me sing?" And she says, "Yes!" And I go (half-speaking) "Oh say can you see." And that's the best I can sing. Everyone at the table started laughing. So I figured the jig was up. But then I heard from Gina later on that this waitress had come over to Gina, and asked privately, "Does he really sing the national anthem?" And Gina said, "Oh, he's a famous opera singer!  He's got the voice of an angel!" <em>(laughter)</em>
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So now I had to follow through. I had to take this one further. So I came back to the restaurant one day and left two tickets for the waitress. And I set up a story that my friend Jim would have my other two tickets. And he was supposed to tell her I got food poisoning at the restaurant. I was a Pavarotti, and in the hospital they had mixed me up with somebody else and taken my kidney out. They'd discovered the mistake, switched operating teams and gloves and they'd put my kidney back in. (I always love to throw in the glove line. Like they'd <em>really</em> switch gloves.) And I'm the first person to ever get a kidney transplant [from myself]. Great story.  
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<strong>The Zaltair Prank: Two Pranks in one</strong>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> You make really elaborate schemes and stories. Talk about some of the pranks that were left out of your book. Maybe go back to the early hacker days, or Apple times?

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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Early hacker days? There's the prank that I did when we introduced the Apple II. At this time, all these people were using Z words based on the new Z80 Microprocessor from Zylog. So I had these fake brochures for "the Zaltair" made. It was this two-sided brochure that had all the fakest hype I could think of using, like – "Imagine a car with five wheels!"  You know, stupid little things that were inspired by the worst ads I'd ever read. It had comparison charts to things like the Apple and it looked <em>so</em> phony &mdash; but it was against the Apple and this and that. It said you could send your own computer in and get a $120 discount. It was really jamming MITS Corporation, but that's another story.
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I took thousands of 'em in a box and put it out in front of The Civic Auditorium (in San Francisco). After a while, my friend called me. He said, "Somebody took the box. It was gone!"  But MITS &mdash; the company that I was making fun of &mdash; wasn't there. So who did it?  It turns out, they had a rep there. So we went to the hotel and brought another box and set it down. After a while a guy goes up, he spots it and takes the box away. So then, we took tons of them underneath our coats and went around and started shuffling them into packets. Our green ones would go into packets of green handout fliers, and our blue ones would go into packets of blue fliers. We were careful about it but we got thousands of 'em distributed. I mean, all the members of the Homebrew Computer Club were waving copies in the air.
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And I'd put a stupid made up quote from Ed Roberts &mdash; the President of MITS &mdash; at the top. And if you took the first letter in each word in the quote, it spelled P.R.O.C.E.S.S.O.R T.E.C.H.N.O.L.O.G.Y. You always get two pranks for one if you frame someone else. 
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And sure enough, Gordon French, who was one of the Homebrew club members, came by Apple in the early days, and I asked him,  " Did you hear about that Zaltair prank?" And he said, "Oh yeah, it was a hoax. I know who did it! Gerry Egram of Processor Technology!... because he's got a weird sense of humor." I'm laughing my head off at this point. And I pull one out and said, "There was supposed to be a cipher in here."  And they started reading the cipher, and everybody read the letters "Processor Technology."  Steve Jobs did the final 'Y'. For 12 years, everybody "knew" that this guy at Processor Technology had done the prank.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> When did you 'fess up?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Twelve years later. I actually framed a copy and gave it to Steve Jobs as a birthday present. He opened it up in a restaurant and he just started laughing out loud. And that's unusual.
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<strong>Ethical Pranking</strong>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Your most famous prank, which is in the book, was when you called the Pope at 5 am pretending to be Henry Kissinger. What was going through your mind as you were doing that? 
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I used one of the blue boxes... the blue boxes were an exciting time in my life &mdash; around 1971.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Was John Draper with you when you did the call?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> No, he wasn't. I read articles about him. He had stimulated my interest. I had quickly tried to whack together a blue box but it didn't work. I finally designed a great little digital box. It worked every single time. And Steve Jobs said, "Let's sell 'em." So we built some and sold them. We gave door-to-door demonstrations in the dorms. Can you imagine doing that and not getting caught?  
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Right. That was the perfect time for phone phreaking. Everyone was interested.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> By the end of that year, I was worried that they had methods to catch 'em, so I never did 'em after that year. And during that year, I was careful that I didn't use the blue box for personal calls. I paid for them. It was partly out of fear, but also I wanted to be honest, as I thought Draper and others were. We only want to explore the system, and fix it, and find its little flaws, and tell other people. That's a great thing to a technical person &mdash; to know a few little flaws. It's like finding a few little Easter eggs in a program &mdash; little secret surprises. Since I was very shy, it gave me one area of life that I wasn't shy about.
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I was the demonstrator. I was the emcee. I would demonstrate the blue box for an hour or two. We sold one every time we did a demonstration!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>  I'm sure lots of other people just used them to get free phone calls.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah, and ethically, when I look back...
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I think that was part of the spirit of the early '70s.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah, but when I look back I have a problem with that.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Well, phone phreaking was associated with <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/19/counterculture-and-the-tech-revolution/">The Yippies</a> and a kind of anti-corporate radicalism. You didn't quite get into that...
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I wasn't in there. Sure, I admired all those thinkers…
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Right. I mean, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&#038;keywords=abbie%20hoffman&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;index=books&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Abbie Hoffman</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> had that kind of stuff in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156858217X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=156858217X">Steal This Book</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=156858217X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> He had a black box schematic in <em>Steal This Book.</em>  I bought <em>Steal This Book.</em>  I had his black box schematic!  Same year!  But <em>Ramparts</em> magazine &mdash; which was like the <em>Mother Jones</em> of its day &mdash; came out with a nice clear, easier-to-follow one that year as well and they kind of got put out of business for a while. I made copies of that and spread 'em around to everyone. So I was helping everyone else do this even when I wasn't selling it. And that was probably wrong. I just sort of wanted to show off that I knew things that most people didn't know. That was my real motivation.
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<strong>JAMAIS CASCIO:</strong>  So what do you think are the rules for being an ethical prankster?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Ethical prankster? It's tough. I don't think there's 100% ethical. In theory, you have agreements with society not to do things that are going to be disruptive &mdash; to not do things that are gonna be different. And yet, practically, all of us have to do things that are a little bit different. And there's always some weird little laws that are written to catch you just for being different.
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Ethical hacking today is largely finding flaws in major computer systems, or possibly the phone systems. And to be ethical, you don't use it to harm anyone. And generally, that means you don't want to keep it secret forever. You want to boast that you're the one who found it. There's a young kid, I forget his name right now – and he would find these flaws and then tell the companies:  "Here's the flaw. You have two weeks to fix it, and then I'll make it public." And he wound up in jail. I met him, and he was just so pure that he was going to keep searching no matter what they did to him. He was going to keep on this track of finding the flaws and notifying the people what the flaws were and giving them a certain time to fix it before he made it public.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> You didn't mind tweaking the Pope! How far might that have gone?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah. I said we were at the summit in Moscow. Someone said, "Here's the Bishop, who's going to be the translator."  And I said, "Yes, I'm calling from a
United States number. But you can call me back." He said, "I just spoke to Henry
Kissinger." I said, "I <em>am</em> Henry Kissinger. You can phone me back
now."  And I gave them a United States number to call. And I figured they would
think, "Oh, we've got his number!" I figured they knew it was a hacker. But I had given them a loop number, so they dial one number and I dial another and we get connected. There are really no records.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Right. A great phone phreak trick.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Calling the Pope was just a weird idea that was kind of fun.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Did you have a plan, if you actually wound up talking to the pope? Did you have a narrative for the exchange?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> No. I should've!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Did you grow up watching "Candid Camera"?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yeah!  I did. Guess what?  My son was pranked on by "Candid Camera." He got into an elevator in a hotel and headed down to his car early in the morning. And when the elevator door opens to let him out, instead of finding himself in the garage with cars, he's in a room. And he looks back and the elevator had no button. He played with it for a while, and somebody popped out and said, "You're on Candid Camera." But they didn't put him in the show. He probably wasn't animated enough for them.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> He was probably not too easy to surprise, after growing up with you. I hope you go ahead and write this book about pranks.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I have forty years of pranks. That's going to be the third book. I'm thinking that for my second book, I'm going to publish my "manuscript." You've heard about Einstein's manuscript &mdash; it sounds really impressive. Well, I'm the only one who ever wrote this much code &mdash; I made the Apple II by hand. I couldn't afford what's called a rental system, where you can type it into a computer, and you type in your program, and it will give you back the 1's and 0's. So I figured out the 1's and 0's in my own head, and wrote them down on the piece of paper. Everything for the Apple II was done by hand. 
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<strong>Apple II was Coded by Hand</strong>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So you'd publish the code in book format?
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I plan to publish the code and the schematics with some explanations of what I was thinking. It would be one of those things that you don't sell very many of.
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<STRONG>JC:</STRONG>  With a visual machine language editor, you could basically drag and drop 1's and 0's into a window.
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<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> (Thinks) Visual machine... oh!  Now, that's a good idea. That's a clever idea. Yeah! That would be the modern version of what I did. 
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The best things I did were because I didn't have money. I couldn't afford the computer system to type my programs into. They were written in machine language &mdash; real geeky computer stuff for the microprocessor I used, and I couldn't afford it. But because of that, I got very intimate with the programs that I wrote by hand. Every step of the way, it was easy for me to be a very careful and thorough checker. And I would dream the programs! I would wake up with ideas about how to save one little step by doing something different, or I'd think of something I could get for free. Always believe in that &mdash; getting things for free. The next house I'm going to build is going to be built with that in mind. 
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<strong>Building an Energy Efficient House</strong>
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I was out judging a History Channel invention contest. And David Pogue, who is the technology writer for the <em>New York Times</em>, and the guy who owns the National Inventors Hall of Fame, were also judges. And we all decided we wanted to build this project that was the winner. The designer is a Civics Engineering Professor at Brigham Young &mdash; a very credible guy. And basically, he uses Southern Yellow Pine, the most energy-efficient wood that there is. It has a resin inside. And the resins &mdash; wood with resins – melts and freezes at 71 degrees. So if there's any impetus in the house for the temperature to get hotter than 71 degrees, it melts a little of the resin, which actually absorbs the heat and cools the house. It serves as your air conditioner. At nighttime, if it starts to freeze, it emits heat, and warms the house up to 71 degrees. And the houses can be built with another structure. They actually take dirt out of the ground... where they're going to build the house. They take the dirt out, they put it in machines, compress it into these tight bricks and then they heat it for about a week. Then they leave it out in the sun for about a week and they have these grooved parts that they slide together. And it's the cheapest, lowest energy, most green way to build a house that's going to last 500 years.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Jamais, that sounds like something you might have heard about at WorldChanging.
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<STRONG>JC:</STRONG> Yeah. BASF makes a thermal wax wallboard that does exactly what you described. They found that they could make houses in Germany 90% energy efficient. 
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<strong>On DRM, Open Source, &#038; the iPhone</strong>
<br /><br />

<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Before I let you go, I should ask a few contemporary geek questions &mdash; to satisfy those in the audience who are going to say, "You had Steve Wozniak on, and all you talked about was pranks!" That was pretty much my intention, but I should ask a few. What do you think about Steve Jobs' decision to embrace DRM-free music in iTunes?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I think it's a step towards the future. I mean, it doesn't make much sense if these things are going to have DRM forever. There's this whole problem that you can't trust everyone, but you can do a good enough job.
<br /><br />
Look at newspapers. Nothing stops me from buying a newspaper and passing it around to 20 other people. But, you know, you just kind of get used to what's easy to do. Only six of my purchased music songs so far, though, are from (DRM-free) EMI. 
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> The whole idea of Open Source has been a long running dialogue in computer culture. Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation see it as a
crusade. Is it necessary? Or can you have Open Source and proprietary stuff going on at the same time?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> A lot of people think that Open Source means "free." It was never intended to mean free and it shouldn't mean free. People should be able to develop software and market it and have control over what they build. But when you sell a product that has a lot of software in it, being Open Source means you publish your source. And if somebody else wants to take your product and make a specialized version of it that does their few special things for their application; or does something a little different; or leaves pieces of it out; they can do that and they don't owe you a license fee. It just means they were able to improve either your mistakes, or the things that you left out that they want.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Sure. But do you consider that a moral necessity, or...
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I consider it a moral right-ness. I don't know how to speak for everybody in society about necessities. But I think it's very honorable and it's very good for the customers.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Speaking of Open Source issues, have you ever hung out with Bill Gates?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I haven't. I've only spoken with him briefly a couple of times. I admire him, he admires me. Good lord, I'd never written a computer language when he had written a BASIC in the early days of hobby computers. And I thought, "Oh my gosh &mdash; a computer with BASIC finally makes a computer that people can use for things."  And so I said, I've got to write a BASIC. My goal was to be the first in the world to have a BASIC for the 6502. And I did it, but it was horrible because, in doing it, I left out one thing that could save a month &mdash; floating point...
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> That's in your book, actually.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG>  And before we wrote our floating point BASIC, Bill Gates popped in the door and he'd done Microsoft. And my attitude was, "Oh, good, it'll save us the time." Of course, when our five-year license on it ran out, the Apple II was pouring gadzooks of money into his company. So they had us under the barrel.

I like being the first at things. I had written my first syntax chart with floating point. In the Apple II ROMs, I even stuck in my own floating point routine. It wasn't incorporated into the BASIC, but I just didn't want the world thinking I couldn't write floating point routines.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>JC:</STRONG> Jobs actually related that story when he appeared onstage with Bill Gates.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> And Jobs got it pretty right. He said it was because I hand-wrote everything. And handwriting it, I couldn't just type an extra part into a program. I had to move addresses around. All my addresses were fixed by hand. And I couldn't expand my syntax table easily to add the floating point back in before we shipped the Apple II. Otherwise I would've.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Do you have a current technology project, outside of building your home?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> Yes I do! I have a bunch. My favorite idea right now… they're  making flexible display materials now and showing them off. I would love to build a globe that's all a display. Maybe it would use Google Earth. And you could be zooming in on portions of this globe -- you can just look for Africa, for instance. And as you zoom in, the little dots are lit up like those programs that show you where all the volcanoes and all the webcams of the world are.  You'd zoom in on blue dots, and zoom and zoom and zoom, and on a blue dot, you'll see a <a href="http://www.webcam.com">webcam</a> right there in Africa; or right there in Amsterdam, or near the hotel you're gonna stay at in Greece. I would love that.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> People would want that. 
<br /><br />
<STRONG>JC:</STRONG> Yeah. And if you do it with Google Earth, you have all those KML layers so you can throw into it webcams and weather and traffic flows. There's all sorts of things you can do with that.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Last question. What do you think of the iPhone and do you think it will be a success?
<br /><br />
<STRONG>SW:</STRONG> I don't know. It will be a big hit off the bat, but after people have the iPhone it will truly be judged and compared. Will word of mouth kill it or make it a hit? Who knows? I can't even give my emotional feelings until I have a production unit for a while.
<br /><br />

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<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/28/hype-smackdown-iphone-v-paris-hilton/">Hype Smackdown: iPhone v. Paris Hilton</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/11/iphone-debate-im-a-mac-vs-bill-gates/">iPhone Debate: I'm a Mac v. Bill Gates</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">5 Sexiest Apple Videos</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/14/ipod-levy-the-perfect-thing-interview/">How the iPod Changes Culture</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/19/counterculture-and-the-tech-revolution/">Counterculture and the Tech Revolution</a><br /><br />
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		<title>Expect Trouble Activating Your iPhone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jayden Devereux</dc:creator>
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<strong>While fans with bulging wallets</strong> crowd the Apple stores, Apple already knows they're doomed. Apparently, they fully expect iTunes to choke on all the traffic from iPhone activations.
<br /><br />

Apple wants to dissipate as quickly as possible the crushing mobs at their retail stores, so they've promoted the first-of-its-kind online activation heavily:
<br /><br />
<blockquote>
Activating iPhone takes only minutes as iTunes guides the user through simple steps to choose their service plan, authorize their credit and activate their iPhone, Apple said. Once iPhone is activated, users can then easily sync all of their phone numbers and other contact information, calendars, email accounts, web browser bookmarks, music, photos, podcasts, TV shows and movies just like they do when they sync their iPods with iTunes. <em>--AppleInsider.com</em></blockquote>
<br /><br />
The only problem is that all those requests at the same time will put a huge strain on Apple's iTunes servers. But, at least then, they don't have to deal with a lynch mob at the retail level.
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<br /><br />
<em>10 Zen Monkeys</em> has received an anonymous tip from an Apple Store employee -- and he wasn't afraid to admit he's not happy about the fact he hasn't been with Apple a year and therefore isn't getting a free phone -- outlining a memo that was sent around, informing managers on how to deal with surly iPhone customers who can't connect to iTunes, which is the only way to activate their phones.
<br /><br />
In the memo, employees are told to expect some customers to return to stores in person to complain, though it should be a small number.
<br /><br />
"We've been told to be courteous, polite, and even apologetic. And then suggest that they go home and try again an a little while. And under no circumstances will they be allowed to activate their phones in-store." So if you're thinking that -- think different.
<br /><br />
"Another important little tidbit," said the anonymous Apple employee, "Good luck calling Apple or AT&#038;T to complain. Both companies' customer support lines will probably be massively busy."
<br /><br />
The best strategy is to wait until later in the weekend to activate your phone, he said. We say to Apple, "Good luck with <em>that</em>."




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<strong>See also:</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/28/hype-smackdown-iphone-v-paris-hilton/">Paris Hilton v. iPhone</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/11/iphone-debate-im-a-mac-vs-bill-gates/">I'm a Mac v. Bill Gates</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">5 Sexiest Apple Videos</a><br />

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		<title>Hype Smackdown: iPhone v. Paris Hilton</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Diehl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's a battle of pop culture titans as two empires -- one high-tech, one high-rise -- clash in explosive PR fury. <strong>By&#160;Jeff&#160;Diehl</strong><br /><br />]]></description>
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<strong>It's a battle of pop culture titans</strong> as two empires -- one high-tech, one high-rise -- clash in explosive PR fury. Since these two heavyweight memes have climbed into the competitive media ring of their own volition, we thought we'd size them up for you. As Stephen Colbert would say: "Pick a side -- we're at war!"
<br /><br />
<br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Simple to use.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Simple.
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Well-protected against viruses.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Has <a href="http://www.zerowarts.com">herpes</a>.
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Critics complained battery life too short.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Critics complained prison life too short.
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Provides driving directions.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Knows how to drive. (Sort of.)
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Responds to touch from multiple fingers at once.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Responds to touch from multiple fingers at once.
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<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Wants to be held by everyone.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Wants to be held by her mother.
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">Sexy footage</a> leaked onto the net.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Sexy footage leaked onto the net.
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Appeared in multi-million dollar ad campaign.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Appeared in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AM4P9U?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=B000AM4P9U">House of Wax.</a>
<br /><br />
<strong>iPhone:</strong> Everyone wants what's in the box.<br />
<strong>Paris Hilton:</strong> Everyone knows what's in the box.
<br /><br />
Feel free to make your own comparisons in the comments...
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<strong>See also:</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/expect-trouble-activating-your-iphone/">Expect Trouble Activating Your iPhone</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/11/iphone-debate-im-a-mac-vs-bill-gates/">I'm a Mac v. Bill Gates: iPhone debate</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">5 Sexiest Apple Videos</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/14/ipod-levy-the-perfect-thing-interview/">How the iPod Changes Culture</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/12/07/apple-wozniak-biographer-interview-smith/">Wonderful Wizardry of Woz</a>
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		<title>Anarchy for the USA: A Conversation with Josh Wolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anti-globalist activism, anarchism, and his new projects to "Free The Media" and give prisoners a voice in the blogosphere. <strong>By&#160;RU&#160;Sirius</strong><br /><br />]]></description>
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<em>Photo by Steve Rhodes</em>
<br /><br />


<strong>Josh Wolf spent more time in prison</strong> than any other American journalist in U.S. history for protecting his source materials &mdash; videotapes taken at an anti-globalization demonstration in San Francisco. He was finally released on April 3 of this year. Press reports about Wolf have described him as an anarchist, and he has described himself as an anarchist sympathizer.
<br /><br />
Wolf has been all over the media talking about his free speech struggle with the U.S. Government. He was on "Democracy Now!"; received a now-traditional media hazing on "The Colbert Report"; and even had a brief but fairly sympathetic interview in <em>Time.</em>
<br /><br />
While we conversed about his case, we also wanted to delve more deeply into the issues that motivated the case in the first place: anti-globalist activism, anarchism, and his new projects to "Free The Media" and give prisoners a voice in the blogosphere. 
<br /><br />
Scott J. Thompson, Director of Research at the Walter Benjamin Research Syndicate, and Jeff Diehl joined me in this conversation, originally recorded for <em>The RU Sirius Show</em>. 
<br /><br />
<blockquote>To listen the full interview in MP3, <a href="http://www.rusiriusradio.com/2007/05/22/show-110-not-the-prime-time-josh-wolf-interview/">click here</a>.</blockquote>
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<strong>RU SIRIUS:</strong>  There's been plenty of talk about your case, so we're going to go into some other things, but I think we should talk a bit about the conclusion. I think people found it a bit confusing and anti-climactic.
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH WOLF:</strong> It was a bit anti-climactic. And it was also reported incorrectly all over the place in the press. The stories ranged from things like: "The government decided they have no interest in Josh Wolf and therefore they are letting him go" (that would've been nice) &mdash; to "He finally caved under the pressure."  Both of those are factually inaccurate.
<br /><br />
Basically, there were two things that the government wanted. One of those things was that tape. I felt that I shouldn't have had to turn that over to the government, but at the same time there was absolutely nothing sensitive or confidential on it. So it was worth fighting for, but once I had lost my fight in the district court level in the 9th circuit, there wasn't really any reason not to publish the tape and simultaneously turn it over to the government. I mean, yeah, those shots of my shoes are a bit embarrassing but they're not worth going to jail over. So once we had exhausted our appeals, we offered to turn over the tape in exchange for my release. But the U.S. Attorney said he wouldn't accept anything but full compliance with the demand of the subpoena. That would have involved testifying before a grand jury and turning over my documentation for my video-editing software... there was a pretty exhaustive list of demands in the subpoena. But on February 14, the judge suddenly ordered the case into mediation with a magistrate judge. During the course of two mediations, we came to an agreement – I would publish the tape and then turn it over to the federal government, and they would not object to my release. And they decided to call this full compliance with the subpoena, although it wasn't full compliance at all.
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<br /><br />
So that's where we stand right now. The government still has the option to re-subpoena me to try to make me testify about the content of the tapes or what I saw there that night. But I don't think they're going to because they know that I'm not going to testify. I'll go back to jail and it will be an even bigger public fiasco for the U.S. Attorneys office. And they're not really short on public fiascos right now.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> You got a fair amount of support from the mainstream press on this. I assume that the government figured you were some punk blogger, and they could yank you out of all social circumstances and throw you deep into the hole, and there would be very little discussion about it. But quite a few journalists expressed their concern in terms of the protection of journalists. Did this surprise you at all?
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong> The reception from the journalistic community has been very much mixed &mdash; especially in the mainstream journalist community. Even from the alterna-press, there were some mixed receptions. Some journalists realize that if they're coming after me &mdash; they're next. And they realize that this whole concept of objective journalism is kind of a misnomer. You can never be objective. But some get very offended by the idea that I should be protected, because protecting me makes it easier for them to be attacked as being part of the same group. And I think that's one of the things at the crux of the public's reception to protests in general. I mean, in this particular protest, there was one violent incident where one police officer was injured probably by one protester. And because of that. the 150 people that were there now get described as terrorists.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> The big mainstream media question is "Can bloggers be journalists?"  In fact, you wrote <a href=" http://www.joshwolf.net/blog/?p=332">an essay</a> with that name. And I think the counter-argument would be that nearly everyone could become a blogger, and then everyone would be protected from giving evidence. So a group could conspire to break laws and members who blog could be protected. Karl Rove could become a journalist and make the same kind of claim!
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong> That argument's flawed, because if you are involved in a criminal activity, you don't have to testify because you're protected by the Fifth Amendment.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Good point!
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong> But it's true that in Grand Juries they like to get rid of the Fifth Amendment. They say, "Here's a waiver. You no longer have the Fifth Amendment."  But I've been reading the Constitution over and over again, and I can't find any section on giving waivers to the Fifth Amendment. And consider the First Amendment &mdash; freedom of speech. Why doesn't that include freedom of silence?  Why does the freedom to speak not include the freedom not to speak?  And so, yes &mdash; journalists should be protected in order to protect the act of journalism. But in a larger context, why do we have coercive custody to force people to testify?  I mean, it's really a form of very low-grade torture &mdash;  we're going to hold you in custody until you break down and speak.  
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>: It's definitely something we don't accept from gangsters, but we <em>do</em> seem to accept it from the state. Tell us a little about your prison experience. What kind of prison were you in and what kind of interactions did you have with the prisoners?
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH</strong>: I was in a federal detention center, which is sort of like a…
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> (jokingly) It's a country club!
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong>  It wasn't a country club but it was kind of like being in a really, really low-rent camp. But you can never leave. I kept waiting for the fishing trip, like when you're at camp, you're thinking about the fishing trip. It never came.
<br /><br />
<strong>SCOTT THOMPSON:</strong> <em>That's</em> torture.
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong> It was kind of like being in a college dorm, except there were fewer choices. There weren't any girls. Unlike college, there was not much in the way of drugs or alcohol. The guys were all pretty cool. They were mostly a combination of bank robbers, drug dealers, a few white-collar criminals. 
<br /><br />
The most interesting segment of the prison population are the "Piezas." (A "Pieza" is a Mexican Roadrunner. The term has been adapted to those that are here from Mexico.)  Most of these guys had no prior criminal history. They were in jail for crossing the border &mdash; an imaginary line. We've decided that's a felony. And they've been getting between three and five years in jail. And while they're incarcerated, they have to work. And they're often fined for their crime. They're fined an amount that just happens to add up to the 12-cents-an-hour that they make while they're incarcerated. So our government has time-share slaves. Instead of getting our slaves from Africa, we're getting people that come to America to build better opportunities for themselves. And they end up spending three-to-five years building government furniture.
<br /><br />
<strong>RU:</strong> This kind of slavery or serfdom becomes even more interesting when you have privately-owned prisons. I imagine that you were in a state-controlled prison.
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong>  It was a federally-owned prison. I think there's somewhere between three and five privately-contracted prisons in the federal system. A lot of states, particularly in the south, have more private prisons than public prisons. It's very disturbing that we have contracted out our prisons because there's a certain public oversight that's expected &mdash; or at least should be expected &mdash; when it comes to a government-run operation. But when you give prisons to the Wall family to run, it becomes a private business. And lots of things that are private in private businesses remain private. When that involves controlling human movement, it becomes really dangerous
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I think having a profit interest in incarceration is about as skeevy as you can get. Although I certainly know some libertarians who would disagree with me. Did you wind up finding any compatriots in prison? Did people discuss politics? And did people there know why you were there?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Most everyone was aware of it. Of course, the level of understanding varied. In its simplest terms, I was there for refusing to cooperate with the government. I was going to jail for not being a snitch. Having not committed a crime and then also "not snitching" – that's pretty respectable in the prison hierarchy. I think the only person above that was probably Greg Anderson because he's a friend of Barry Bonds. Not snitching on Barry Bonds… that was like… <em>"Whoa!</em> And he's a trainer! And people in prison are into working out so that's a sort of demigod-like position.  
<br /><br />
In terms of the politics, I found compatriots at different levels. I spoke about political activism. I had a few books about anarchism that were sent to me that were passed around the prison. It's kind of interesting that those got in. They didn't try to censor it.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>: They didn't understand what they were, probably.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> They weren't going to allow a press release to come out that the prison was censoring reading material.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Tell us about the project you are developing involving prisoners.
<br /><br />
<strong>JOSH:</strong> I've started prisonblogs.net. We want to pair up individual prisoners with sponsors on the outside who agree to type up what they have to say and post it on their own blog. There are lots of military blogs, which the government's currently trying to crack down on. So now we'll have prison blogs. The media oftentimes can't get access to what goes on behind those walls. And the people I've encountered have amazing stories about prison culture and their oppression at the hands of the guards – stories that don't get out to the public.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Are they ever allowed to blog at all? Also, wasn't there a law passed against interviewing prisoners &mdash; a sort of blockade against prisoners communicating to the media?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> It can be different between the states and the feds. In federal prisons, you can interview prisoners &mdash; I've seen prison interviews. At the facility I was in, they refused any filmed interviews, but they permitted phone interviews. I don't know exactly what the state rules are, but I know Schwarzenegger just vetoed a bill that would've opened the gates a little further. But I'm dealing with what prisoners can do, in terms of self-publishing. I know they can't get publish with a byline and they can't get paid for it. Now I don't know whether a blog counts as publishing with a byline, but...
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<STRONG>RU: </STRONG>  …Is there evidence that this will be allowed? 
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> There's no evidence so far to indicate that they <em>won't</em> allow it. Some prisoners have blogs right now. We've found about a couple-of-hundred. But there are no avenues for prisoners who want to blog but don't necessarily come from tech-centric backgrounds or families. They don't have a chance to get their voice and artwork out there. So this will sort of democratize the media for a class  and a group of people who are cut-off and denied all the opportunities that, say, middle-class Americans have – people who already have their YouTube, MySpace, and Flickr accounts.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> There's been a lot of talk about your case in the media, but there hasn't been a lot of discussion in the media about the demonstration that lead to the case. How would you characterize the issues that were at stake at the demonstration and your interest in that?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> The demonstration was against the G8 Summit that was going on in Gleneagle, Scotland at that time. I happen to align myself philosophically  against globalization. With The WTO, the G8 and these other sort of private groups, large governments plan how to exploit smaller governments and small helpless communities and individuals. It's a winner-takes-all, king-of-the-hill sort of approach to planning our future. So I'm opposed to that. And I did take to the streets with my camera in order to document this demonstration that I knew wasn't going to get a lot of attention. In terms of the activities that were used in this demonstration, I think most of them were not necessarily tactically sound. I think there's a time and a place for people to drag newspaper stands into the streets in order to stop, say, a threatening stream of riot cops that are about to attack. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to drag a newspaper stand in the street when the cops have already called off the riot squad. So there were numerous things going on there that I felt were not tactically sound. I wouldn't have engaged in them myself. But I do support a diversity of tactics. And I feel there should be balanced between the privacy of those involved and the need to expose the news of what they're doing to the world.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Some of these tactics have been associated with a concept or a group that's called "black bloc."  Basically, the idea seems to be what we used to call "trashing" back in the early 70s – when I did it. <em>(Laughs)</em> The idea is violence against property. Is it ever effective?  Was it effective in Seattle? And isn't it stupid to keep doing the same thing over and over again? 
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Any discussion about the effectiveness of tactics that involve breaking the law becomes very sensitive. Just describing what is effective is opening the door to conspiracy to commit terrorism. So it's a very shaky topic to get into.
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I think it's not effective to try to cause economic damage to large corporations, because the amount of isolated damage that is done at these sorts of protest is really a rounding error. It's like, "Oh, we had to spend $500 to fix this window and cover up this spray paint." 
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> It's sort of embarrassing, really.
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<strong>JEFF DIEHL:</strong> It's the public exposure. It suddenly gets the media eye looking at this movement or… 
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> It worked once in Seattle, maybe.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> I think if a Starbucks is coming into your town, and it's the first Starbucks, and some people who don't like it decide, "We're going to do something to prevent this Starbucks from being built" &mdash; then I think that could be tactically sound. I'm not saying that people should do it, but it does make some tactical sense. 
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But to simply go and hit all these windows &mdash; you know, smash up a few Starbucks &mdash; it can create some attention. In the post 9/11 world, that attention is too easily connected to groups like al-Qaeda. So I don't think it's going to further the cause of trying to achieve a non-hierarchical, mutually fair, non-capitalistic society.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> That's the question. Do these tactics have any place <em>at all</em> in successfully changing things, or are they really just getting their rocks off?
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> Around 1987 - '88, on Haight Street, there was an attempt to build a Walgreens. That nascent structure was dynamited by malcontents. And it turned into...
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> We're not getting a confession here, are we? <em>(Laughter)</em>
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> No, I was living in Chicago at the time. Anyway, they realized that the community really doesn't want a Walgreens.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> There was a philosophical argument after the Battle of Seattle. That action basically got the mainstream &mdash; and the public's attention around this whole anti-globalization issue. Hardly anybody had even heard about it. Some would argue that there wasn't much of an anti-globalist movement before Seattle
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Not in America, no.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> And some would argue that the spectacle of the damage created the success there, so the damage was necessary.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> But it was also mixed with the fact that a lot of demonstrators showed up. That – in itself &mdash;  was unusual. But a peaceful demonstration definitely could've been ignored, like many other large protests.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> Right.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Look at what <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0142002550?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0142002550">the Weather Underground</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0142002550" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> was able to accomplish during the Vietnam war. They had a tactical place and were somewhat effective. But the enemy has been changed from communism to terrorism. So acts that the government can easily label as terrorism can very quickly become counter-productive. I think that's part of the reason that we have this vague war on terrorism &mdash; anyone that does anything disruptive can be treated as a terrorist.
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> Right now, the government is attempting to label any oppositional show of force of any kind as terrorism. 
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We're surrounded by cops of all stripes. We're surrounded by security guards of all kinds. We're surrounded by all sorts of military people, and they are the only ones that are allowed to use brute force against an unarmed populace that dare not even organize on a premise without a permit. It's just completely a violation of the whole idea of the right of freedom of assembly in the United States
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> Josh, obviously it's not to your benefit to be thrown in jail again. But if we can't even talk about tactics, then  the authors of the Patriot Act have won, right? This whole area has been bracketed off for people who are involved in opposition. And historically, this has been the only type of activity that has ever caused any significant social change – confrontation, destruction of property, or violence.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Our founding fathers were engaged in terrorism or direct confrontation during the Boston Tea Party. That would be labeled terrorism now. If the Boston Tea Party happened last week, what do you think George Bush would say about it?
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> They'd be in Guantanamo. 
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It's interesting that you brought up the Weather Underground, because there are two things to think about with their tactics. Number one: historians show that the reason Nixon didn't nuke Hanoi during the Vietnam war was because he was frightened of what the anti-war movement would do to America. <em>He wasn't thinking of the Quakers.</em> He was probably thinking of the Weather Underground; the freaks who burned down the Bank of America and stuff like that.  
<br /><br />
But on the other hand, fear is a very effective tactic for organizing reaction. We see it now, particularly, under the guise of terrorism. Basically, the current unofficial Republican slogan is "Be afraid. Be <em>very</em> afraid." 
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The Weathermen sort of had this theory that youth was a class that could be excited and organized for revolution. It was possible to believe that in the early 1970s. I don't know if there's even a receptive audience for this kind of thing any more.
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> I think there's actually a very receptive audience. I think that many people might be experiencing a real disappointment and disaffiliation from the "mainstream left" &mdash; these people that organize some of the mass demonstrations that are always held in the same place. And we all get together and we all get photographed by the same helicopters flying overhead. They've seen us all before. Nobody ever thinks, at the last minute, let's change tactics. Let's hold it n front of "The Chronicle" building, and scare the hell out of those people.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> Well, you wouldn't have a permit for that.
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> Of course. You <em>must</em> have a permit. The populace dare not spontaneously get together and show its discontent with the powers that be.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Protests have been reduced to nothing more than processions. They have a cathartic effect. Everyone feels like they're doing something. And in a sense you're doing more than just voting. But civil engagement begins at voting, it doesn't end there. And protests are just one step further. But in order to really make a change, people have to actually really get their hands dirty and do something. That could involve writing a law, and then working your butt off to actually get it passed, if that's the course of action that you choose. Or you could make a blockade around a business that you think needs to be shut down; you could start a picket line and yell at people when they cross it and make it so that business can't continue its enterprise. Or maybe you think it's most effective to burn down the bank like they did at U.C. Santa Barbara in the late '60s. All of these tactics have limitations and they all have values. It really just depends on what you think is going to work and why you think it's going to work.  
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I question whether any of these things  &mdash; demonstrations, riots &mdash; are really effective anymore. And you've been involved recently in trying to work with the system. You've been helping to create a law to protect journalists. Do you see any contradiction between being an anarchist sympathizer and trying to get the federal government to create a law to protect journalists?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> I'm sure many other people do. My political <a href="http://www.jagadguruchrisbutler.com">philosophy</a> is that the best society would be one where the precepts that we followed were formed through consensus. But we don't live in that society. We live in a system of laws made by people who claim to represent us, but so often don't. For instance, on the night Nancy Pelosi was elected, her own constituents passed a law saying that they want the President impeached. And Pelosi immediately made a statement that impeachment was off the table. So clearly, these people don't represent us. But at the same time, they still make the laws that we live under. If I can help pass a law that would've prevented me from going to jail for seven months &mdash; a law that defines journalist as anyone who's gathering and disseminating information (with a very limited exceptions that involve imminent harm to human life) &mdash; then why shouldn't I work for that? Sure, it's a band-aid. It doesn't deal with the fact that we have a repressive grand jury system that needs to be abolished. It doesn't deal with the fact that the right to a fair trial just doesn't exist.  
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I agree with you because I'm a reformist. The way I view human nature &mdash; I don't think that the anarchist ideal is very likely to work in the foreseeable future. But still, any attempt at change is a discussion of tactics. I mean, Nancy Pelosi's argument is about tactics too, really. She's saying, "Well, I'm actually <em>in</em> the Congress and in order to pass laws, I have to use these tactics. I have to take impeachment off the table because it's not going to be accepted in mainstream discourse and if I go for it, I'm not going to be able to change anything."
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> But whether impeachment is accepted or not, she's elected as a representative. And this is one of the clearest cases where the city she represents voted for a resolution to impeach George Bush on the very day she became Speaker of the House? Is she a representative of the Democratic Party?  Is she a representative of San Francisco? It doesn't look like it. How indirect is this representation, and how indirect should it be?
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> She's either sold out or she considers herself wiser, tactically, than the people she's representing. And you can have either interpretation.
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> I think this highlights the bankruptcy of representational government in this particular time. I think you can count on one hand the number of representatives who actually pay attention to their constituency. These people in Congress are only taking orders from very wealthy donors or powerful corporate people. They don't really listen to the people that don't make a certain amount of money, or don't have any money. They don't listen to the people they should be listening to. It seems to me that that there's no sense of civic responsibility in this country. We're not taught civics. People have a tendency to think, "Well I just don't really want to think about that. I don't want to worry about that. I elect X, and he or she will take care of everything for me."  And he or she is actually totally in the hip pocket of the powerful interests.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> Josh, you had this thing happen where you got a lot of attention. And this was maybe a big chance to publicize a lot of the views of the circles that you were in before the protests – people with certain shared goals related to anarchism and so forth – stuff that doesn't get much publicity in the mainstream media. I could see some of them being a little bit disappointed that you're focused on passing a law.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> The way I see it &mdash; there are a lot of things you can and should do. And to embrace as many of them as possible really can't hurt. I mean, maybe you can say, "Hey, we shouldn't pass a law because these band-aids – these reforms – because they are going to make the system more livable, more tolerable. And we should actually do things to increase suffering in order to foment a revolution." A lot of people take that view. But I don't see it that way. I think anything that reduces suffering shouldn't be ignored.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Some people might not object from that old "heightening the contradictions" argument. They may just make the argument based on decentralization. Don't ask for the protection of the federal government. (Of course, as we know from the <a href=" http://www.rusiriusradio.com/2007/06/12/show-112-legalize-it/">medical marijuana situation,</a> the federal government trumps everyone else.)
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<strong>JOSH:</strong>  I think it would be a great thing if San Francisco absolved itself from the federal government. It didn't work in the Civil War, but that was fourteen states trying to go. If San Francisco said, "Yo. We're sick of the Patriot Act. We're sick of you raiding medical marijuana clinics. We're sick of the fact that two people that love each other don't have the right to get married. We're doing our own thing now, what would the federal government's response be?
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Armed invasion?
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> The federal government will soon be dealing with that and not just from California. Many states are going to move away from a federal system. Or that's always a fear…
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I think that's going to be a while. (ironically) The Balkanization of America could take a few days. It might happen someday. 
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<strong>SCOTT</strong>: But you know, in 1986 - 87, if you had suggested the Soviet Union would not exist in three years, people would've said you're out of your gourd. That's not possible. Now look at it.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I just saw Chalmers Johnson on PBS yesterday. He has a book out that is basically about the fall of America. It's apparently coming up next Tuesday, right after you listen to the R.U. Sirius Show.
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<strong>SCOTT:</strong> The fall of America's coming up next Tuesday?
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<strong>JOSH</strong>: Let me put it on my calendar.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Tell us a little bit about your <a href="http://mediafreedoms.net/">Free The Media</a> project.
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<strong>JOSH</strong>: I'm trying to build something called the "Free the Media" coalition. It will be at MediaFreedoms.net. (There's an alpha site up right now.) Basically, I'm trying to create an environment for discussing issues of media literacy. I'm planning a sort-of Open Source forum as well as meat-space satellites at various college campuses. We'll get into the role of the news media. We’ll talk about how independent or alternative media – along with established media &mdash;  really fill in the marketplace of ideas. So we're trying to build a dialogue with independent journalists, establishment journalists, and then everyday viewers to try to shape the future of the media. And we'll look at what sort of protections and new formats and new ideas should exist. And it will also involve raising public awareness of issues and gathering funds for worthwhile stuff. The next time, a journalist in a legal situation like the one I found myself in might not have the backing of <em>The Chronicle</em> or the <em>New York Times.</em>
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> There seems to be a sort of techno-anarchist paradigm, if you will, that has emerged over recent years. You might call it the decentralization of the means of production of reality. You have democratization through open source and Wikipedia and blogging and all those kinds of things. Do you see the use of this technology as a tactically effective way of bringing about a post-hierarchical society or is it peripheral?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Well, that breaks into all sorts of schisms very quickly. I mean, we have blogs that allow people to post their own radio shows and put up their own videos. And that really does democratize the information. But then, simultaneously, we have these large corporate constructs coming in and controlling and censoring much of that dialogue. When Digg decided that they weren't going to permit the copyright code for the HD-DVD...
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Well, their was a popular revolt and they backed down.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> They <em>did</em> back down. But how often do things get censored without any revolt happening at all? Flickr was deleting someone's comments, at some point, because they said they were combative in nature.
<br /><br />
<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Well, wait a second! <em>You</em> just deleted somebody's comments.
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> I actually never deleted any comments...
<br /><br />

<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Oh. But you kicked somebody off your site, didn't you?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> Someone made a particularly vile comment, and I said I'm reserving the right to delete comments that look like this.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> Did you set a principle about what type of comments you would allow in the future?
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<strong>JOSH:</strong> I basically set a principle that I was reserving the right to remove comments, rather than saying what I would allow. I haven't actually removed anything. But when one commenter attacked another commenter with a sexually vile comment about sand in her vagina with no provocation – I start to wonder. I mean…
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Well, was it consensual sand, or... <em>(laughter)</em> forced sand. <em>[Awkward silence]</em>  Errr… let's move on.
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<strong>JEFF:</strong> What more is there to say, really, than "sand in the vagina?"
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<strong>See also:</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/06/a-conversation-with-justin-kan-of-justintv/">
A Conversation with Justin Kan of Justin.tv</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/31/venezuela-dispatch-from-a-surrealist-autocracy/">Dispatch From a Surrealist Autocracy
</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/14/michael-crook-settlement-apology/">Dear Internet, I'm Sorry</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10/02/the-perversions-of-%e2%80%9cperverted-justice%e2%80%9d/">The Perversions of "Perverted-Justice"</a><br /><br />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>YouTube, the 20-Year-Old, and Date Unknown</title>
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<B>YouTube will share ad revenue</b> with <a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/should-youtube-hear-me/">20-year-old Brandon Fletcher</a>. Thus the stage is set for a flood of copycat bum-rushers who will no doubt lay siege to the YouTube/Googleplex armed with nothing but their media and their Gen-Y audacity.
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It's just 46 days after Brandon's YouTube show launched, and he sent me an email this morning.  It had a link to the breaking story, and a single emoticon.
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	;-)
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"The deal is basically sharing ad money," Brandon tells me.  "They place banners on my video pages and we split the revenue." (Though he adds that he "can't give specifics on the splits.") 
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"YouTube is going to place ads on the video pages of everyone in the program," he adds.  "I didn't even ask about joining, they offered it to me!"
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I feel like a chump now.  Nine weeks ago I'd been skeptical when Brandon flew from New York City to Silicon Valley just to pitch YouTube his video show.  He'd vowed he'd stay in YouTube's lobby until they agreed to put his video on their front page.  "How did it go?" I'd asked cynically in April.  
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"Went really well," he wrote back cheerily, saying that an employee "took me out to eat, gave me some YouTube shirts and told me to come back!"  But when he went back to camp in YouTube's lobby, a security guard stopped him at the elevator. Eventually, Brandon flew back to New York City.  But he'd made some crucial contacts...
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So what was his big idea?  I did some sleuthing, and discovered it would be a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=dateunknown">web reality show</a>.   (Couples who met online would have their first real-life date -- and Brandon would film it.)  But a few weeks later, my skepticism started to melt, and I fired off an email to our editor. 
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<I>So that guy who didn't get past YouTube's security released his online dating show anyways.  And I have to say -- I think it's really good.</blockquote>
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<object width="425" height="350" align="center"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7tp_jevcSsM"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7tp_jevcSsM" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
<blockquote>They're both from MySpace -- nice twist! -- and there's genuine, real-life odd moments.  (When the guy suggests that when they play pool, it should be "strip pool," his date thinks for a second.  Then says, "I'm glad I wore a lot of layers...  I think YOU should just strip.")
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He just now sent out the press release...
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And it <em>was</em> a good press release.  "Behind the production, a story of determination and perseverance," announced one section's title.  It said Brandon "funded the project on his own, and then filmed, edited, and scored and produced music for every episode..." It even referenced his "gutsy mission" to get YouTube to feature it. 
<br /><br />
But he hadn't achieved any results yet.  The only happy ending I'd found was that Brandon hadn't given up. On his blog he'd written "I will not stop trying until I reach my goal."After the May launch of his secret video project, Brandon had seemed excited. "I feel great right now!" he told me.  "I'm just going to keep on working hard, and trying to spread the word about this site as much as I can." 
<br /><br />
But he added: "I feel like I've created something great here, though."
<br /><br />
He told me he hoped a TV network might show interest in the show, "but for now, as long as I'm enjoying this -- I will continue to handle it on my own."  And the show continued -- mostly fueled by his raw enthusiasm.  
<br /><br />
Brandon planned to release a new episode every Monday, with extra videos throughout the week showing outtakes or on-the-street interviews about online dating.  But within a week there was good news. "[S]omeone from YouTube placed the first episode on the 'Featured Directors' column, which appears on the right side of the website when you browse videos. It gets around 1 million impressions per day, so we're at about 10,000 views for episode one in less than a week!"
<br /><br />
And I had to admit it was entertaining.
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"Does it take you a lot to get wasted?" asks the guy in the red t-shirt that says "IDIOT!"
<br /><br />
"No," his date answers.  "I'm a light weight...."
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<br /><br />
That first episode was eventually viewed over 20,000 times.  The YouTube channel seemed erratic -- episode 2 drew just 6,741 views, and episode 3 just 3,885.  But Brandon told me there were more views on the web site, and "a few investors have been contacting me about the project."  Three weeks ago he sent me an update -- that he was "Working on a sponsorship / cross-promotion."  Eight days ago he told me that the last episode jumped to 25,000 views in one week.  Maybe that was because its title was "Pee on me," I thought -- since the next episode racked up only 1,053 views in its first three days on YouTube.
<br /><br />
But then today, the big news came.
<br /><br />
YouTube had heard him, and YouTube had signed him.  
<br /><br />
And Brandon's email was both the last word, and maybe also a call to his peers...
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	;-)
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<B>See also:</b><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/19/youtubes-5-sorriest-questions-for-the-2008-presidential-candidates/">YouTube’s 5 Sorriest Questions for the 2008 Presidential Candidates</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">The 5 Sexiest Apple Videos</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/should-youtube-hear-me/">Should YouTube Hear Me?</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/11/the-cartoon-porn-shop-janitor-carol-burnett-vs-family-guy/">The Cartoon Porn Shop Janitor: Carol Burnett vs. Family Guy</A><br />
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		<title>YouTube&#8217;s 5 Sorriest Questions for the 2008 Presidential Candidates</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lou Cabron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if my President was selected by MySpace?  <B>By&#160;Lou&#160;Cabron</b><br /><br />]]></description>
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<B>What if my President</B> was selected by MySpace?  It's the nagging concern raised when young video bloggers lob questions at the Presidential candidates.  In July when the Democrats gather in Charleston, they'll find CNN has swapped in questions that were uploaded as videos to YouTube.
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At least that was the hope when the CNN/YouTube "debate" was announced.  Unfortunately, no one <I>cared</i> about the announcement (except the commenter who added "omg the youtube guy is fucking HAWTT!!!"). Nearly a week later, YouTube has managed to assemble just over 120 questions to choose from.  And five of them are the dogs below.  
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Yes, for years we've dreamed of an interactive democracy &mdash; a giant techno-village wired into a real, two-way discourse. Why shouldn't our lawmakers get the same crowd-polling technology that's available to contestants on <I>1 vs. 100?</i> (Answer: because the wisdom of the crowd is matched only by the buffoonery of the individual.)  
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While it's morbidly amusing to imagine candidates groveling for LonelyGirl15's endorsement, YouTube is slyly attempting to <I>appear</i> democratic without actually accomplishing anything. But maybe that's YouTube's cynical comment on democracy itself.  Maybe they're imagining the event's slogan as:  "It's participatory!  It's YouTube!  And it's stupid!  Just like voting..."
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<B>1.  Headzup</b>
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This question comes to us from "HeadzUp", who specializes in badly-animated cartoons of jabbering heads &mdash; in this case, George W. Bush.
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The cartoon President starts a familiar gotcha question &mdash; if a dirty nuclear bomb killed millions, and a second bomb risked millions more lives...  But never mind.  It's a joke.

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"you are totally a moron," replied an irate YouTube commenter, "and if youtube had a star rating for the DUMB FUCKS, you would most certainly qualify, hands down LMAO,FOAD."
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We've elevated the discourse already.  
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<B>2.  We are not alone</b>
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A user named "DickGhostmoon" wants to ask the candidates "a very, very serious question...about aliens." He's titled his video "alien autopsy CNN YOUTUBE Debate," and includes footage of a 2001 press conference seeking the declassification of secret government information about  extra-terrestrials.
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And there's also some footage of Santa Claus.
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Interestingly, the question comes from England, and YouTube also received questions from Spain, Canada, Australia, and Malaysia.  
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We're guessing these questioners aren't even voting. They're just mocking our hopelessly compromised electoral system while enjoying their universal health care.
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<B>3.  "88% of Californians..."</B>
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Imagine the next President of the United States fielding questions from "The Wine Kone." His YouTube channel identifies him as a Canadian, and promises "video responses and who knows what else (probably lameness)." 
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His self-described "very important question" concerns Arnold Schwarzenegger, his re-election as governor of California, and...  No wait.  It's another joke, this one about cyborgs and the plot of <em>Terminator III</em>.
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"YouTube didn't put me up to this," adds a superfluous title at the end.  (Really? Because it's hard to believe that YouTube would allow something so edgy unless they had an ironical hand in it.) 
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Maybe one day, with enough help from biting Canadian jokes like this one, Americans will penetrate the haze of our Puritan, bi-polar system and, like Maplestan, finally see how ultra-silly it is to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Thomas_(Ontario_politician)">elect actors as politicians</a>.    
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<B>4.  "Hi, Hillary..."</b>
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OMG!  It's a cartoon animation of Hillary Clinton! Asking a question to Hillary Clinton! My head is about to explode!
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The question &mdash; read by a speech synthesizer &mdash; presents scenarios about access to health care. By the way, did I mention it's read by a Hillary Clinton avatar?  "Give us a nice answer," it asks, "so you look good &mdash; and I look good!"
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Video hides the face of the American asking, but maybe it reveals a deeper truth &mdash; that the real appeal of politics is the opportunity to preen and pose.  "Please advise me on your future vision for addressing our health care crisis," the video seems to say... 
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"And also, check out my cool new widget!"
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<B>5.  "So cool..."</b>
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16 people have rated this video.  It's average score?  One star. YouTube user Netram59 summed up the response. "You say YouTubers have a lot to say but it seems you don't."
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But the uploader &mdash; "GoodNeighbor" &mdash; is actually part of an L.A. based sketch comedy crew. "They all like to draw," reads their YouTube profile, "and make music and movies and stuff!!"  Hooray!
<br /><br />
Is it better or worse that "GoodNeighbor" skipped the chance to question our next President for a quick laugh?  I'm honestly not sure.  YouTube may have empowered a generation, but maybe it's a good thing that the giant internet corporation hasn't been able to channel them all into a specific, YouTube-directed activity.
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Maybe the revolution was never meant to be televised...

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<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/06/22/youtube-the-20-year-old-and-date-unknown/">YouTube, the 20-year-old, and Date Unknown</A><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/should-youtube-hear-me/">Should YouTube Hear Me?</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/05/john-edwards-virtual-attackers-unmasked/">John Edwards' Virutal Attackers Unmasked</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/27/iraq-youtube-battle-footage/">Iraq Battle Footage</a><br />
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/12/apple-computer-mac-sex-videos/">The 5 Sexiest Apple Videos</A>
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		<title>How the Internet Disorganizes Everything</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RU Sirius</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author of <em>Cluetrain Manifesto</em> explains how "everything is miscellaneous" in a web-based society &#8212; we dip into the vast pool of uncategorized information and use it to make our own sense of things. <strong>By&#160;RU&#160;Sirius</strong>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>The internet disorganizes information for you</strong>, so you can organize it for yourself &mdash; alone or with friends. That is the distilled essence of David Weinberger's theory about how we create meaning and understanding for ourselves in these times. Weinberger's provocatively titled new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805080430?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0805080430">Everything Is Miscellaneous: The Power of the New Digital Disorder</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0805080430" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, has been widely praised and may take it's place alongside <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302378?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1401302378">The Long Tail</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1401302378" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> as an epoch-defining tome. 
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Weinberger was also a co-author of the notorious boom-era best seller, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738204315?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0738204315">The Cluetrain Manifesto</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0738204315" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />. A fellow at Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for the Internet and Society, Weinberger is now doing a regular podcast for Wired News called <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/misc/berkman-wired-podcasts.html">The Berkman/Wired Miscellaneous Podcast.</a>
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The interview was originally conducted via Skype for <a href="http://www.mondoglobo.net/neofiles/">NeoFiles.</a>
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<blockquote>To listen the full interview in MP3, <a href="http://mondoglobo.net/neofiles/show-79-everything-is-everything/">click here</a>.</blockquote>
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<strong>RU SIRIUS:</strong> When I first saw the title of your book &mdash; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805080430?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0805080430">Everything Is Miscellaneous</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0805080430" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> &mdash; I immediately thought of my old friend Ted Nelson. He had a saying: "Everything is deeply intertwingled." Sure enough, as I got into the book, you beat me to it. You actually deal with this quote in the book. How does Nelson's idea relate to your idea?
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<strong>DAVID WEINBERGER:</strong> Nelson's idea is that the world is intertwingled. That's just a great, made-up word that says that things don't come in neat categories. Sometimes we need to put things into very strict categories, and we manage to do that. If you're working at the Department of Motor Vehicles and somebody comes in with a boat trailer, you've got to decide: Does it or does it not belong in the category of licensed vehicles. We have to make these sorts of decisions. But that's not the normal case. The meaning of most things is linked, loose and ambiguous. The category systems that we've had in the past, the taxonomies – each with its experts &mdash; have not generally reflected that intertwingularity. But the web, with its link structure, and with its messy, ungoverned, permission-free link structure, perfectly represents the intertwingularity.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> In the world of atoms as opposed to the world of material stuff, it's easier to make all that intertwingling available. It seems almost like we're in a virtual "Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" world. Everything is six clicks away.
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Yes. The internet works that way. And there are so many different links and ways to get to things because the significance of our world works that way. That's why things on the web have accumulated so many messy, unpredictable links. Lots of people have seen lots of ways in which things are related, and we can express that on the web. We don't have to minimize it.
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You know, in a library, a physical book has to go on only one shelf under one category. That's not a natural restriction; a single book is about many different things. But even when you try to make up for that restriction with the catalog card, which is a very reduced form of meta-data for the book, the size of the card is dictated by the inconvenience of atoms. The size of the card means that you can't put in very many of those references. But on the web, everybody can put in his or her own references. We can have hundreds or millions of references and links and connections of meaning linked to a single resource. There's no limit. So, in some ways, the web reflects better the complexity of the linked nature of the world.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>  The massive hyperlinked web of correspondences and information that Nelson talked about with his <a href="http://www.xanadu.com/">Project Xanadu</a> in the 1960s is happening, but it's sort of self-assembling. There's a sentence in your book that's unobtrusive &mdash; or you might say it's miscellaneously in the middle of a paragraph somewhere &mdash; but I picked it out because it seems to go right to heart of what you're saying. This is the quote:  "A big part of miscellaneous information contains relationships beyond reckoning." I think it's the "contains relationships" part that's important – because although everything is miscellaneous, we're not just talking about noisy chaos.
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> No, we're not. I'm admittedly using the word miscellaneous in a slightly extended sense. The value is not that it <em>stays</em> miscellaneous, and we can never find or make sense of anything. Quite the opposite. It's all there as potential. We can mine knowledge and information from it. But I don't think that's all that interesting. What's interesting is that we can also discover meaning and its significance &mdash; stuff that actually matters to us. So every time we sort through the stuff, we cut through it and see the connections that are interesting to us. And depending on what we're trying to do, we see the world in a new way. We can now do this quite fluidly, and we'll get even better at it over.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> The order is found by the end user. A friend of mine has a business and his slogan is "living à la carte". That seems to be kind of what we're doing with information, and so many other things.
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Yes, but when you order à la carte, everybody orders individually, based upon their tastes. I wouldn't want to leave it there! The most exciting and important advances in how we're making sense of this miscellaneous soup is that we're doing it socially. We're doing it through social networks; through recommendations from our friends, from sites that do that more formally; and from what shows up in our inbox. So this is not the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Me">Daily Me</a> constituting the world based on our own individual interests. It's the "Daily Bunch-of-Us." It's loosely defined groups of people making this happen.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So this is not the wisdom of the individual or the wisdom of the crowds, but the wisdom of small social networks?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Yeah. It's the wisdom of the group. The crowd actually turns out to be quite lumpy. We know some people better... I know that this person over here is really useful and knowledgeable about FCC rulings, but I wouldn't ask about cars!   But this other person loves talking about cars.  
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> In Ethan Zuckerman's blog post about your book, he asks: "If knowledge is a pile of leaves instead of a tree, how does the shape of knowledge change?" Do you have an answer for that?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Yeah!  First, there's the tree-like structure of knowledge, in which categories are carefully arranged. So there's a root and then there are branches, and every thing has to be neatly on one branch and only one branch. Each thing has a special spot and only one spot. And that shape is very useful for some types of thinking. It's certainly the shape that you use to divide up your laundry. You divide it by person, and then by body part and so forth. So you are constructing a tree. It represents how we sort and order physical objects and it's very useful. 
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But when we make things miscellaneous, we get to shape it the way that we want. And frequently, the shape is going to be a tree. And sometimes the shape is going to be a cluster in which there is overlap. It's every type of human relationship. It's every possible shape and so there isn't a shape. It's this potential we have before us that we can shape in ways that make sense to us at the time. And the "us" is &mdash; in fact &mdash; a social group.  
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG>  You refer to this miscellany as a "third order."  Can you explain a little bit about this idea?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> In the First Order, you organize the things themselves. An example would be the physical books on the shelves. 
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In the Second Order, we do something that we've gotten very good at over the past couple thousand years &mdash; we separate meta-data about the stuff in the First Order. So we're still dealing with physical objects. In terms of books, it's the card catalogue. We're separating the meta-data. We've reduced the amount of information we're dealing with to what fits on the 3 x 5 card. It's much less than all the information about the book. But with the Second Order, you now have a few different ways of sorting (or categorizing). For instance, you can sort by author, title, and subject.
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In the Third Order, everything becomes miscellaneous &mdash; both the data and the meta-data; the content and the information about it. The principles that guided the organization of the first two orders no longer hold.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> So are you saying that the first order is basically pre-taxonomy? And the second order brings that into being. And then, the third order changes how taxonomy operates – or are we leaving taxonomy behind? 
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> We're not leaving taxonomy behind. Rather, we are embracing every possible way of organizing &mdash; every shape of organization that works. And sometimes taxonomies are exactly what we need. So we have taxonomies, we also have playlists. Playlists are not really taxonomies. They're just lists. (I guess you could say they're the edge case of a taxonomy.) Playlists are really useful for some things. They're really useful for music, for example, or for syllabi. But they're not a very good way of organizing a complex library, because the list gets too long. We will use every type of organization we need, including taxonomies, when they make sense.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> I guess if you label your iPod music lists &mdash; say, "anti-War songs" or something like that &mdash; then that becomes a sort of taxonomy. A little mini-taxonomy. In some ways, it seems like we're really obsessed with classification these days. You have things like the human genome project. There are various projects to catalogue biological life forms. And apparently <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&#038;keywords=edward%20o.%20wilson&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;index=books&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Edward O. Wilson</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> is now doing some kind of an encyclopedia of all life. Where do those types of projects fit into your schemata, if they do?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> They do, because we are developing knowledge out of a pre-existing taxonomy. We make links! 
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Let's just limit the discussion to tags &mdash; we are not doing that because we have an existing taxonomy, but we may be able to generate a taxonomy based upon the set of tags. In fact, the most important thing is that you can generate lots of taxonomies based on a single set of tags. So it is useful to have an order of species. And scientists have been arguing about the nature of species and how you cluster them since Darwin. The argument over what constitutes a species continues among biologists still. 
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Sometimes you'll define a species, and thus a set of categories; and then the relationship of those categories, because you're interested in the history of their actual descent. But sometimes you'll be interested in how populations &mdash; within isolated areas separated from each other &mdash; work. At that point, their common ancestry may not be as important to you in your categorization scheme. So sometimes it will be more useful to cluster things in ways that look at their functionality as opposed to their DNA. So there are all these potential ways of organizing species. The great thing is that now we can have them all. It's all miscellaneous. If we're doing epidemiology work, one sense of species may be more important to us than another. We can have it all!
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Can you conjecture about the personality changes that might happen with people whose ability to organize the chaos of information is being democratized? Is there any danger of a sort of virtual narcissism? 
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> I'm a little less concerned about that than some other are because I think this activity is as social as language is. In fact, it's very closely related to language. Actually, the old idea that you could sit down and organize the universe by creating a taxonomy seems to me far more narcissistic than the bottom-up stuff that we're doing now, which is more democratizing.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Do you think people are empowered by it? Do you think it might be a sort of  evolutionary step for human beings?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG>   I do think it's an evolutionary thing and I do think that people are being empowered by it. But I sort of think those two things separately. 
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Taxonomies are power. With a centralized top-down taxonomy, one problem is that somebody gets to say what you are. And lots of people will inevitably disagree with the categorization. A really bad example of this is what happened to a popular musician living under apartheid in South Africa, By the time he was fifty, he had become a different race five times because the law had changed. And once, he had to leave his wife and family because of it. 
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So taxonomy is power. It's not always that gross. But let's say you're trying to decide where Scientology or Jews For Jesus or Baha'i goes in the category of religions. Are they at the same level as the big ones? Power resides in that decision. Now that we can create local clusters of meaning, local taxonomies, categorizations &mdash; a lot of that power dissipates. That's a good thing.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> Not only can we democratize the taxonomies that are created, we can locate new taxonomies, in a sense. We can have lots of them, as per Wikipedia.
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Yes. And furthermore, what works about Wikipedia is the fact that just about every other word is linked. That's more important than the categories. The categories of Wikipedia are really more like tags – and that system totally sucks!  It's broken! It's barely usable. (Maybe they'll fix it.)  But the fact that every article is penetrated by link after link after link going everywhere says that this messy web of meaning is more important than coming up with a nice set of categories.
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<STRONG>RU:</STRONG> How would you compare what you're saying with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805080430?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0805080430">Everything Is Miscellaneous</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0805080430" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> to the two big tech business memes of the times &mdash; Web 2.0 and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302378?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=neofilesradio-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1401302378">The Long Tail</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=neofilesradio-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1401302378" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />?  Do you feel you're extending that? Are you taking it a little further out? How would you relate to all that?
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<STRONG>DW:</STRONG> Well, from a point of view of authors' narcissism, I started working on this before either of those things came along. So I've watched them, and I do think there are relationships among all three of them.
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Clearly, the long tail is about how content and ideas and stuff is spread out rather than centralized. If you're doing long tail economics or long tail business, you've got to wonder how you are ever going to provide a single categorization scheme for your products that is going to work for the entire long tail. Because, in terms of big topics, the long tail isn't actually interested in anything. The consumers on the long tail are interested in their own quirky individual things. That's the power of the long tail. So I think you want to move towards a miscellaneous way of thinking through how your customers are going to find what you want. So it's a good match. 
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Web 2.0 is, of course, a notoriously free term. In some ways, it's a set of examples, things that you point too. You say, "Blogs are happening, and Wikis are happening, and APIs are opening up, and there are greater mashups of information." Many of those things enable the representation and use of miscellaneous data so it all pretty much fits the miscellaneous model.
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<B>See Also:</b><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/03/01/sf-writer-rudy-rucker-everything-is-computation/">SF Writer Rudy Rucker: Everything Is Computation </A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/14/ipod-levy-the-perfect-thing-interview/">How The iPod Changes Culture</A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/29/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-rusirius-google-objectivism/">Jimmy Wales Will Destroy Google </A><br/>
<a href="http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/11/19/counterculture-and-the-tech-revolution/">Counterculture and the Tech Revolution </A>


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